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Should a dishonest forum member be banned off the right of being moderator
Yes!
82%
 82%  [ 19 ]
No!
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Who cares?
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 23

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Poll for moderator qualification Reply with quote

I am sorry for this poll.
It is deep night already but the double stikes cannot make me rest and sleep.
If administrator think this topic is harlmful to this forum please delete it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Genna thinks a moderator has done something that puts the forum (or site) into disrepute, or that they deliberately ripped someone off, I'm sure he would deal with it without needing a poll, and without it getting mentioned in multiple threads.

I vote for the 4th option - let Genna decide. It's his site Smile

I understand wanting to discuss it (although it has been discussed in other threads), just not the need for a poll. I haven't followed the whole issue, but I don't believe the other party involved would deliberately do anything malicious (unless there is more than one issue, of course, that I don't know)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Should a dishonest forum member be banned off the right of being moderator"

Yes anyone should be banned if they are dishonest.

It`s a wonder you didn`t have the poll say

"Should Stu be banned from being a moderator for dishonesty without any proof of this being true"
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Hugo is Sailing Pretty close to the wind on this one.

As I stated in the other thread I do not think this Forum is the place to resolve these issues that have arisen between the two members involved and I think both threads should be closed and locked

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted for "Yes!!!" even when I'm a moderator but in same time I agree with jrmunro.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with John (jrmunro).

I don't think the thread should be closed. It would be better if these and similar issues were resolved in a private area, perhaps in VICCA forum.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Stu .......Not will Be Banned......
Really Im not Take Right All this Happent ......And i thin its Not A Scum (stuard) .....Something Else Happent........
And Eventually if he try to Make some profit for Some lOT.....i THINK THE WRONG IS THE SELLER ..not him.....
For sure illVote for yes if Somebody is Harmfull Or dangerus Or......What ever for cpu Collectors Familly...But stu I think Isnt...... itd my Little Opinion About .....

Im really Sad For All this Cold War Began in topics.....
I think together we Stand United.....Dont mess the All idea of co-op and help each other....

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gshv wrote:


I don't think the thread should be closed. It would be better if these and similar issues were resolved in a private area, perhaps in VICCA forum.

Gennadiy


Yes VICCA forum would be a good idea as we don`t need guests or prospective new members seeing this sort of activity.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put down Yes..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what happened (and don't post it here), but the two things are different.

If you want him ousted, it means bye bye from the forum as well.

I don't like double standards.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@WFS2005
Problem is that our european internet browsers are not supporting chinese characters and google translation will not help.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neon_WA wrote:
I put down Yes..


I voted "Yes" as well. But the principle "innocent until PROVEN guilty" has to apply.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

let me try to translate what WFS2005 said
WFS2005 wrote:
I am sorry my English is poor, so I have to use chinese. please Google translation.

关于这个事件,似乎已经有了结局,在这里想说一些我的看法。首先声明,我是就事论事,论事不论人,并没有偏袒或者责备哪一方的的意思,如果有说的不对的地方,任何人都可以说出来。Stu、hugo、alitoutou和都不是很熟悉,不过他们都我交易过很多次了,每次交易都很愉快,他们都是好人。

Stu贴了他的ebay购买记录,我也到卖家评价里查到了。看来应该是可以证明Stu的清白了。可是我弄不明白,为什么Stu现在才拿出有利于自己的证据?为什么不在hugo开始对你提出质疑的时候就拿出来呢?你是不是有什么顾虑呢?很多事情在刚开始时候没有得到及时解决,最后酿成了大的事故。

在这个事件里,hugo没有得到他的包裹,恰恰在这个时候Stu在ebay上发布了一些ES CPU。alitoutou看到后联系Stu想和他交换,得到了一些Stu的ES CPU图片。alitoutou看到其中的一些CPU的图片和hugo丢失的那批ES CPU非常的相似。接着alitoutou发现Stu ebay拍卖的ES CPU里也有与hugo丢失的那批ES CPU相似的。同时hugo也发现了这个问题,于是hugo发帖子提出质疑,这个很正常。因为当时确实有很多疑点:为什么图片中的CPU是如此的相似?为什么Stu一年前得到的这些 nice CPU 却没有在 CPU-World.com forums 发布过?为什么Stu一年前得到的 nice CPU 现在才在ebay上面发布?还有如果Stu是清白的为什么说要白送hugo个MS?但是在这个过程中Stu只是一再否认,并没有拿出对自己有利的证据,以至于alitoutou说出一些过激的话(alitoutou心情可以理解,说过激的话确实是不对)。如果Stu早拿出证据来,后面的事情就不会发生。

对于hugo和alitoutou的心情我可以理解,我亲身体会过。08年我和fRaSsL有过交易纠纷(那时Stu还没有加入论坛,可能不知道这个事情),如果不是最后我收到了包裹,那我会一直认为fRaSsL没有发货,当时的所有证据都表明fRaSsL没有发货(可笑的是,他还发给我一个空的registered mail信封)。在那段时间里,我急躁、烦闷、睡不着觉。我心情不好并不是因为在乎这个包裹里的CPU,其实我买的也不是很稀少的CPU,没有多少钱。是那种受骗上当的感觉一直在困扰着我,之前我一直认为CPU-World.com forums是一片净土,这里的人都是诚实守信的。我也一直认为靠欺骗得到CPU藏品,拿在手里欣赏时,那种感觉不是美好的。我承认那个时候我也是很不理智的,不过在这种情况下要保持理智是不容易的。因为这件事情,我很久没有来过CPU-World.com forums,直到1年后心情平静下来,才慢慢的回到这里。同样,因为这件事情,hugo心灰意冷,想要退出CPU收藏;而alitoutou可能会在很长时间里不会来CPU-World.com forums,我不知道过多久他可以心情平静。

Stu也许你会说,“这件事我没有干,我问心无愧,我不用拿出证据”,但是我要说的是这件事对于你的ebay拍卖也有些影响。你的这次ebay拍卖,hugo、alitoutou和我还有一些中国(也可能还有其他国家)的CPU爱好者没有参加,有的CPU结标价格比较低。Stu你也可能知道,alitoutou是一个狂热的ES CPU收藏者(看他的 www.cpumine.com 网站)。如果你能在一开始就拿出有利于自己的证据,那你的那些ES、MS价格将是不可想象的,毕竟那是非常稀少的CPU。同样,你的这次拍卖如果我参加的话,有的CPU价格会比现在的高(虽然我不一定能够买到)。

在这个事件里,我认为没有赢家。我希望经过这件事,当事人会变得更加成熟一些。很多事情都起源与误解(当然误解出现还是有原因的),我真心希望在CPU-World.com forums里人人都是诚实守信的,不要再发生这类的不愉快事件。大家在平等的环境中互相学习、互通有无,大家一起来把世界的CPU收藏发展壮大。

PS: 当我花了一晚上时间写完这些字,却发现那个帖子已经被删掉了,只好发到这里。我认为这样的帖子还是留着好,成员看了可以作为一个警示,可以避免类似的事情发生。

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is Google translation:

About this event seems to have been the outcome, here talk about some of my views. The outset, I sake of discussion, whether things on people, which does not favor one side or the meaning of blame, if that's wrong with it, anyone can say it. Stu, hugo, alitoutou and are not very familiar with, but they are many times I trade, each transaction is very happy, they are good.

Stu posted his ebay purchase history, where I found the evaluation to the seller. Stu seems to be to prove the innocence of the. But I could not understand why Stu has now come up with evidence in their favor? Why not start your hugo questioned when they took out? What concerns you is not it? A lot of things at the beginning of time has not been solved, and finally led to a major accident.

In this event, hugo did not get his package, just at this time Stu on ebay released some ES CPU. alitoutou see Stu want to contact him after the exchange, Stu get some pictures of ES CPU. alitoutou see some pictures and the CPU hugo lost batches of ES CPU is very similar. Then alitoutou found Stu ebay auction ES CPU in there with hugo lost a similar batch of ES CPU. Hugo also found this same problem, so hugo postings questioned, this is normal. Because it was really a lot of doubts: Why the picture of the CPU is so similar? Why Stu has been a year ago these nice CPU but not in the CPU-World.com forums posted? Why does Stu get nice CPU a year ago, only now released the above on ebay? If there are innocent why Stu to give away hugo a MS? But Stu is in the process has repeatedly denied, and did not produce evidence to their advantage, so that alitoutou say something radical to say (alitoutou feelings can be understood, if indeed that is not radical). If early evidence to Stu, the latter would not have happened.

For hugo and alitoutou I can understand the feelings I have experienced. 08 I have a transaction dispute and fRaSsL (when Stu is not a member forum, may not know this thing), if not the last I received a package, then I will always think fRaSsL not ship, then all the evidence that fRaSsL No shipping (Ironically, he also sent me an empty registered mail envelope). During that time, I am impatient, bored, could not sleep. I feel bad not because the care about the package in the CPU, in fact, I do not buy very few of the CPU, not much money. Is the kind of felt cheated always bothered me, until I have always thought that CPU-World.com forums is a pure land, where people are honest and trustworthy. I always thought that by cheating to get CPU collection, appreciation in his hand, the feeling is not good. I admit that when I was very sensible, but in this case is not easy to keep the reason. Because this matter, I did not come off a long CPU-World.com forums, until one year after calm down, it slowly back here. Again, because this matter, hugo frustrated, you want to exit CPU collection; and alitoutou may not be in a very long time to CPU-World.com forums, I do not know how long he can calm.

Stu You might say, "I did not do this, I have a clear conscience, I do not have to produce evidence," but I would say this for your ebay auction had some effect. Your current ebay auction, hugo, alitoutou and I have some Chinese (and possibly other countries) did not participate in the CPU fans, and some CPU node labeled with a lower price. Stu you may know, alitoutou ES CPU is an avid collector (see his www.cpumine.com website). If you can come up with at the outset the evidence in their favor, that you are ES, MS price would be unthinkable, after all, is very scarce CPU. Similarly, if your auction I attended it, and some CPU prices higher than it is now (although I may not be able to buy).

In this event, I think there are no winners. I hope that after this incident, the parties will become more mature. Origin and misunderstood a lot of things (of course there is a reason misunderstanding), I sincerely hope that in CPU-World.com forums where everyone is honest, not to the occurrence of such unpleasant events. Everyone in an equal environment learn from each other, each other's needs, we work together to grow the world's CPU collection.

PS: When I spent a night time finished these words, but found that the post has been deleted, had made here. I think this is good or keep the post, members saw as a warning to avoid similar incidents.

Gennadiy
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