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Marcin
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He have demaged core 
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fRaSsL
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4,50 Euro shipping for 10g product. Sorry, ebay doesn't make fun anymore :-/
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Marcin
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| fRaSsL wrote: | | 4,50 Euro shipping for 10g product. Sorry, ebay doesn't make fun anymore :-/ |
Yes, that is special reason why I'm not buy on ebay often 4,50 in Germany ? So shipping to poland will cost 15 euro ?
Honestly seller who sold me cpu from Austria wanted 1,5 euro (with priority) and second from Germany 55 cents.
Making money on shipping cost makes me angry 
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hardware-teile
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Hi!
You're right. But then I can't provide SECURE shipping costs (I send with "Hermes-versand" and so secure shipping in a little box is much more cheaper than per "Deutsche Post").
OK, I also can ship it (optionally) in a "Warensendung" (wares-shipping)
(I've added this shipping option to ebay!!)
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chipcollector
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| WOW, you're all actually complaining that the seller isn't charging you actualy shipping costs? Don't be so sad! So what if he charges 1.50 Euro for shipping, you should be extremely HAPPY that someone in ANOTHER COUNTRY is charging such a looooow price for shipping costs. There are other things included in the cost like handling fees. Driving to the store, using packing material, printing labels, time, effort, etc. Well, you get the point. |
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hardware-teile
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
Thank you. But my shown shipping costs are within Germany only. I think, to foreign countries it will take 3-5 EUR. |
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Mixeur
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| chipcollector wrote: | | WOW, you're all actually complaining that the seller isn't charging you actualy shipping costs? Don't be so sad! So what if he charges 1.50 Euro for shipping, you should be extremely HAPPY that someone in ANOTHER COUNTRY is charging such a looooow price for shipping costs. There are other things included in the cost like handling fees. Driving to the store, using packing material, printing labels, time, effort, etc. Well, you get the point. |
I don't have the same point of view.
Shipping is for :
Stamp,
Packaging material (if new, of course...)
(driving to the post office) -> it is difficult to quantify, because even if it is far away from your home, if it is on your way, it costs nothing...
And not :
Effort,
Time,
Paypal fees,
EBay fees,
etc...
You earn money for your effort and your time on the final price of the auction, not on the shipping...
I'm beginning to put negatives on EBay for sellers who charge me 3-4 times the real price (examples : 17€ for 5€ of stamps with used package, or 9$ for 1,60$ of stamp ; and of course, first I'm asking explanations), and you know what, I'm getting insults and negatives too from them  ... |
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fRaSsL
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I'm the same opinion like Mixeur. I will give (and I gave) negative feedback for very high shipping costs. No "normal" shop will charge you extra for the fuel of their cars etc...
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chipcollector
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| First of all you guys cant go around, buy something, and then complain about the shipping cost AFTERWARDS. You must ask the seller before you bid. Once you bid, you're legally binding yourself to any of the sellers terms and conditions. EVEN IF the shipping costs aren't posted on the listing, you are still obliged to ask. |
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hardware-teile
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Yes!
The two are right.
But, if we are honest it makes a better feel, if you have a couple more of money for your own from shipping costs if your ebay offer was sold for only 1 EUR or so.
I always take a little few EUR-Cents for packaging/time etc...
But I make NOT shipping-costs who are not untenable.
Myself are angry if I see ebay-"POWER!"Sellers who makes money without end with silly big shipping-costs (for example: 3 EUR for an usb 2.0 2.5 inch case and 8 EUR shipping costs!!  ) |
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hardware-teile
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| ......and I'm sorry for my very big smiley above |
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Mixeur
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| chipcollector wrote: | | First of all you guys cant go around, buy something, and then complain about the shipping cost AFTERWARDS. You must ask the seller before you bid. Once you bid, you're legally binding yourself to any of the sellers terms and conditions. EVEN IF the shipping costs aren't posted on the listing, you are still obliged to ask. |
Yes, of course.
But when you pay for example 20$ for shipping (and you agree for it), you will only realize once the item arrive, that the seller made you a special price for shipping...
And it is your right to be angry to pay 20$ instead of 5$...
If there is something wrong with what you receive (bad package, wrong object, wrong shipping costs...), it is your right to ask explanation, and eventually let a neutral or a negative feedback... |
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hardware-teile
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| Yes, shipping costs about 20$ (and real only 5$) is absolutely not fine. I think I would act the same way (negative valuation, ask to transfer money for back because of too high shipping costs, etc...). |
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chiptalk
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Shipping and Handling charges should be listed and reviewed, or asked about before bidding and winning an ebay item. This isn't some quasi-science. Some items that sell for .99 cents may have a 10.00 s/h charge, so you should value the item at 10.99 to bid on it. I do this all the time, and many times loose, but oh well. Never use the auction price, use the total with s/h for value. If you leave negative feedback for high shipping and you knew the shipping and handling cost, that is wrong. The terms are listed in black and white. Just don't bid, or haggle the seller first. I hate when people get mad about shipping and handling costs after the auction ends and the terms are stated in the auction, sometimes twice. I try to charge fair shipping and handling when I sell stuff, and I have had this happen before. I also buy a lot on ebay too. I also get overcharged shipping on things I buy, but like I said, I calculate value by including the s/h charges. For many items people buy on ebay, they end up paying more for shipping than the actual item.
What is value anyways? To some people, a CPU may be worth $1 of gold (scrapper), but to another person (collector) it may be worth $1000 (C4004 grey traces etc). Again, add shipping and handling to the price you bid to determine the value you place on an item. You may win, you may loose, but if you loose, you know that item's cost was higher than the value you place on it. Think of it this way: What is it going to cost me to get this in my collection.
Also, used packing material (if in good condition), shouldn't be thought of as free. That material has some value, and was probably paid for by the seller by some means. As far as boxes, I have to agree, I do hate when people use beat up boxes (used are ok, but beat up broken ones...grrr), since they don't hold up well during shipping.
I don't agree that time and effort to ship a product is part of the sale price of an ebay item. Like I said above, some items sell cheap because they list them low. Even 50% (for effort and time) of a .99 cents ending auction doesn't cover the time and effort to ship it. |
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