Details of Haswell desktop CPU lineupThe next Intel microarchitecture, codenamed Haswell, is expected to launch in the second quarter 2013. There were multiple reports on the architecture features in the past months, but the exact lineup was not known up until this week. On Tuesday VR-Zone published specifications of desktop Haswell processors, that revealed Intel's plans to release 14 quad-core models, branded as Core i5-4xxx and i7-4xxx. Common features of Core i7 Haswell CPUs include 4 cores with Hyper-Threading, 8 MB L3 cache, and HD 4600 graphics with 1.2 GHz maximum Turbo frequency (1.25 GHz on the i7-4770K). With the exception of the the unlocked 4770K, Core i7 CPUs will support Vpro technology, along with I/O Virtualization and Trusted Execution. Thermal Design Power on standard-power i7 parts was increased to 84 Watt, and stayed at 65W and 45W levels for "S" and "T" microprocessors. New in Core i7 family is a 35 Watt SKU, Core i7-4765T. This processor operates at 2 GHz, and up to 3 GHZ, and it seems like a perfect candidate for HPC systems and small home servers. More detailed list of Core i7 features, including clock rates, is provided further below. Those, who is familiar with existing Core i7 Ivy Bridge specifications, will immediately notice that all characteristics, with the exception of GPU and TDP for some SKUs, are identical between i7-3700 and i7-4700 series. As a result, the only performance improvements in initial Haswell lineup will be due to microarchitecture enhancements and better GPU:
Haswell Core i5 processors will also have 4 cores, but they will lack Hyper-Threading technology, and have the size of L3 cache reduced to 6 MB. The exception to this is Core i5-4570T, which will have 2 cores, Hyper-Threading and 4 MB of last level cache. All Haswell i5 CPUs will have HD 4600 (GT2) graphics, which is a significant upgrade from GT1 graphics on most Core i5 Ivy Bridge chips. The maximum dynamic frequency of the HD 4600 graphics is SKU dependent. The i5-4400 series has it set at 1.1 GHz. The maximum GPU frequency is bumped to 1.15 GHz for Core i5-4500, and up to 1.2 GHz for Core i5-4600 series. TDP of Core i5 CPUs is set at 84 Watt for standard-power chips, 65 Watt for "S", and 35 or 45 Watt for "T" chips. Like Core i7 Haswell parts, specifications of upcoming i5 processors match exactly the specs of Ivy Bridge CPUs. So once again, the Haswell processor are expected to perform better only due to more efficient CPU and upgraded GPU. Here is a summary of details of Core i5 Haswell microprocessors:
All Haswell CPUs will support DDR-1600 memory. The processors will utilize socket 1150, and will not be compatible with existing socket 1155 boards. The microprocessors are anticipated to arrive in April 2013. Dual-core Haswell SKUs should be available later in 2013. Source: VR-Zone Related News (newer articles):
Apr 23, 2013: Prices of Haswell desktop CPUs
Dec 29, 2012: Intel Haswell CPUs delayed until June 2013 Related News (older articles):
Aug 31, 2012: Basic features of Haswell Core, Pentium and Celeron CPUs
Aug 23, 2012: New video and graphics features of Haswell CPUs Aug 21, 2012: Package options of desktop and mobile Haswell processors Jul 10, 2012: Launch schedule of Intel Haswell processors
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AMD why don't you come back?
Intel is truly bullshitting us customers. A whole bunch of NEW CPU's in 2013 which are actually slower than the current lineup. How long is Intel thinking they can do this with us? Get your ass up and your foot off the brake !!!
RE: AMD why don't you come back?
what are you talking Cunningham do you have a clue what Haswell is??? wake up get real, or just google or wiki what Haswell is dude :/
Cunningham
Are you stupid? They are faster not slower than the current lineup. Go and learn about Haswell a little more and try better next time.
haswell
Hello is anyone HOME!!!
omg are u serious
.... haswell is going to be insane well so much for AMD:( i love amd i hope this thing isnt as fast as its being hyped up to.....ill never get to see steamroller and for the one that said there slower....clock speed doesnt mean shit go look up its new archtechture and then ull understand
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AMD why don't you come back?
In the article there is a table of 14 announced Haswell CPU's (5 Core i7 and 9 Core i5). Only ONE of them (the 4770K) is ANNOUNCED to be about 10% faster than the current 3770K, which makes all THIRTEEN others slower than a current 3770K.
That's what I meant. Intel f*** off with your bulls*** crapola. It's neither tick nore tock and not even tickling.
RE: AMD why don't you come back?
you must be smoking right? or kidding, I cannot believe you are this stupid.
it's like saying, Core is slower than Pentium 4 because is runs at lower clock.
if your just playing stupid, well done!
"Only ONE of them (the 4770K) is ANNOUNCED to be about 10% faster than the current 3770K, which makes all THIRTEEN others slower than a current 3770K."
Not sure about your deduction skills.
Also, while you only look at CPU side, the way I see it, with yet another improvement in an area of built-in graphics will make discrete gpus pretty much obsolete for casual non-gamer users.
AMD why don't you come back?
"Not sure about your deduction skills."
Yeah? Just go on and buy a Haswell 4770S and see everyone with a 3770K loughing at you.
"Also, while you only look at CPU side, the way I see it, with yet another improvement in an area of built-in graphics will make discrete gpus pretty much obsolete for casual non-gamer users."
Sure I am looking only for the CPU side. What is this website called again? And for these crappy in-build graphics - who cares about them when any 30 bucks discrete graphics card is beating the shit out of it?
Haswell is crap - period.
Intel is just delivering to the (lower) mainstream market (again) with Haswell. And they will continue to do so because of no competition by AMD anymore. Those times when Intel provided 50% more cores and 20% more frequency are gone and over.
stupid
@ noname
As long as Intel has customers like you who are buying their castrated crappy "new" CPU's they will continue to make profit.
Fortunately those kind of customers are getting rare and some day Intel will have to deliver real innovative hardware again.
MORON
RE: Cunningham
"Sure I am looking only for the CPU side. What is this website called again?"
You are wrong, GPU is part of CPU and so are other units. CPU is what it is, and one day not too distant all computers will be SoC. What will you say then, or will you still judge it by Integer and Floating-P capability?
Haswell
You can't even spell !!! learn some english
"In the article there is a table of 14 announced Haswell CPU's (5 Core i7 and 9 Core i5). Only ONE of them (the 4770K) is ANNOUNCED to be about 10% faster than the current 3770K, which makes all THIRTEEN others slower than a current 3770K."
You are obviously a really stupid guy or troll mister Cunningham. First of all Intel announced no 10% faster. This a lie from you. Secondly, comparing the best Ivy Bridge with lower variants of Haswell is plain stupid. It just won't work. i7 costs more than a i5. You have to improve your skill a bit. In short, Haswell will of course outpace Ivy Bridge due to an improved microarchitecture.
Cunningham
"Haswell is crap - period."
WOW thanks for telling us boy, I almost were excited to buy one. Now do you think Broadwell will be some better, or should we wait for Skylake?
Oh god.
Can someone please teach this Cunningham kid the basic of microprocessor and microarchitecture.
His blind perspective is so stupid.
For those uninformed Intel fanboys ...
w w w.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?&m=1705007&mpage=1
For those that are somehow lost on why I say this is a "let down", consider the following trend over the last few years:
65nm Netburst to Core was a 65% average in clock-for-clock jump in performance back in summer 2006.
45nm Nehalem added a 25% average to Core in Nov 2008
32nm Sandy Bridge added a 15% average to Nehalem in Jan 2010
and now 22nm Haswell is expected to add at least 10% to the Sandy/Ivy generation by spring next year.
This has everything to do with what AMD isn't doing especially with how far Intel is ahead of them.
Cunningham
What are you suggesting Cunningham, to bend physical laws? Or to travel into future and bring better technology back?
By the way you are so blind again, it is not only about graphics which will be 100% improvement (and that's not bad, according to myself) but also much improved power efficiency. If you can count, you may want to count how much power Netburst or Core architecture chips would take at this level of performance. Your power supply would probably have hard time with that.
Have you heard, Haswell-EX will support DDR4? Now because DDR4 has a completely different topology from DDR3 this event is only possible due to Haswell's new architecture. Sure, one day all new computers will have DDR4, but Haswell makes history to be the first one. Just to name you few points.
But well who am I talking to, still silly naive kid ..
Who cares about 100% improvement in on-chip graphics when it's sufficient for playing some modern games in medium settings, when you literally can get a $50-70 graphics card with double the power.
"Intel’s Haswell is actually not going as much for x86 performance as it is going for AMD’s “good enough” mark while taking care to have decent graphics capabilities with acceptable or impressively low power consumption.
Word in the hardware world is that Intel’s GT3 iGPU will have an impressively high number of shaders, but the company will actually not clock them at such high frequencies as the ones inside Ivy Bridge’s HD4000 iGPU.
Haswell, just like Ivy Bridge, will still be built in 22nm manufacturing technology, so it would have been truly amazing if Intel managed to clock a chip more than double in size at the same 1.3 GHz frequency.
Some say that this is a design decision as, Intel is gunning for low power consumption and cares less about performance as it already has the x86 performance crown, and AMD’s Vishera will not challenge that."
JUST to repeat the crucial statement here: "INTEL DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PERFORMANCE WITH HASWELL".
But thanks actually for mentioning Haswell-EX. This has nothing to do with the Haswell we are talking about here but it may indeed be an interesting server platform.
clock for clock
Core's 65% gain is inflated by Netburst's crap IPC.
Nehalem's 25% gain was a big deal. That's high.
Sandy's 15% was good.
I think if Haswell manages 10% that's respectable. Below 10% it gets dicey.
If I can use the GPU for OpenCL that helps.
If there are other improvements that helps.
But I specifically want the PEXT/PDEP instructions. Those will make make my software 2-5x faster.
So I'm pretty interested in Haswell.
I kinda agree
I kinda agree.... Everyone has been saying wait till "HASWELL", it will be great, HOWEVER, only a 10% cpu side improvement of the i7-3770k vs. i7-4770k is kind of a slap in the face. Enthusiats want cutting edge performance but you can expect people to upgrade for only 10% performance increase. If it were only a cpu upgrade, then it might be ok, but to have to update to LGA1150 motherboard at the same time..... I don't see that as a worthy investment.
Either way, for those who say intel is cheating us, you all can choose not to buy the new chip next year!
Beyond silicon
Well Mr. Cunningham perhaps this article will interest you, what you say?
Silicon has been the foundation of the processor ever since the processor was invented – and before that, stretching back to the early days of the discrete transistor in 1954.
That's over 50 years as the magic ingredient of modern electronics and the not-so-secret sauce of the digital era.
But silicon's days are numbered, at least when it comes to microprocessors, says Intel.
Speaking at San Francisco's Web 2.0 Summit, Intel CEO Paul Otellini said that silicon was in its last decade as the base material of the CPU.
Otellini forecast that Intel would produce "three more generations" of silicon processors before shifting to a new semiconductor material.
Given that Intel’s 'tick-tock' model sees a new microarchitecture every two years – and starting at the 45nm 'Nehalem' silicon microachitecture, which is followed by 32nm ('Sandy Bridge'), then 22nm ('Haswell') in 2013 and 14nm ('Skylake') in 2015 – then Otellini's talking about the first wave of non-silicon processors kicking off by 2017.
Otellini said that chips based on these new materials are already up and running in Intel's labs, but he held back on revealing what materials and technologies these are, saying only that "It's very cool."
Intel has long been directing large amounts of its already-substantial R&D budget – which is estimated at US$5 billion per year – towards new 'post-silicon' materials and the association manufacturing techniques.
These include indium antimonide, a 'compound semiconductor' which Intel reports as clocking at 1.5x the speed of silicon transistors while drawing one-tenth of the power; optical 'circuits' which could lessen the reliance on relatively slow physical circuitry such as copper; as well as carbon nanotubes and semiconductor 'nanowires'.
Details of Haswell desktop CPU lineup
Interesting, but this is an old article from 2009 and also a little bit off-topic regarding to the performance of Haswell.
Just ignore this Cunningham kid.
CPU is not just about either clock, core count, or cache, but more of combination of all factor in CPU side that we usually call microarchitecture.
Have you ever think why AMD having a hard time competing with Intel middle class CPU even with higher clock and core count?
Rising performance with multiplying the clock and core count alone is not good, it will just draw more power consumption.
CPU in this generation is much more power efficient than ever. And it is said that keeping the CPU cool enough to run stable while rising the clock significanly is nearly impossible. Thats why we take different route to increasing performance along with efficiency.
hahaha another uniformed fanboy
You talking about power efficiency in the context of Haswell makes me laugh. Reality check: Haswell has a HIGHER TDP than its predecessor. Why? Because they included these stupid on board graphics.
Haswell is for computer hardware what the iPhone is for mobile phones: Bling for technical morons.
RE: hahaha another uniformed fanboy
"Reality check: Haswell has a HIGHER TDP than its predecessor. Why? Because they included these stupid on board graphics."
Listen world REAL STUFF coming! Ivy Bridge did not have graphics, Intel was lying to us :(
Damn Intel, I will never ever buy a chip from them again!
Thanks for informing me and opening my eyes, Mr. Cunningham. Appreciate it.
Haswell HAS higher TDP
"One of the interesting points is the increase in TDP from the 77W of the Ivy Bridge up to 84W in the new Haswell chips."
"Sadly there’s no boost in the general clockspeed of the CPUs themselves. We’re still limited to 3.5GHz for the top-end i7-4770K and 3.4GHz for the i5-4670K."
"It’s not a surprise to see Intel isn’t upping the core count either – sticking to four cores/eight threads for the i7 series and four cores/four threads for the i5."
Google it yourself I am not your babysitter.
So what does the "great new architecture" of Haswell offer? NOTHING except better on-chip graphics, which is for people who don't have a clue about chosing a $50 discrete GPU.
Everybody stop responding to Cunningham
Indeed this is just some joke attempt, or a retarded citizen since he is only writing one nonsense after another. Just ignore Cunningham and his junk.
This is a dignified, solid site let us keep it that way or admin will have to delete this crap. Thanks all.
Sad : /
"This is a dignified, solid site let us keep it that way"
Agreed. I would think people to be more civil than this.
If one is upset that intel is taking advantage of their lead position, one has the option of not purchasing their hardware. ARM will eventually overtake intel's x86 if they play the "good enough for an upgrade" game for too long, with or without any action from AMD.
I hope you are right with your comment about ARM. But currently they also have nothing to offer to match Intel, unfortunately.
You are probably right, but think of it this way...
I do not want to be forced to buy a new processor. If performance increases have stagnated, developers will be less lazy with code, and software will work just as well on older hardware.
If intel is "holding back" or otherwise just slowing development, then others, in part licensees of ARM cores, will in time consume them whole. The rest of the world will not just stand still.
But, if intel has truely hit a physics roadblock, then getting upset about it isn't going to change the laws of physics.
We also don't know how the cpu portion of haswell does with power consumption, in terms of the system as a whole. You can quote a bigger TDP number, but that's just the thermal design power, and a larger GPU portion will require a larger cooling system design. It doesn't mean that the processor will increase your electric bill if you just use the CPU portion.
Please take my apologies that I disturb your praying in your "dignified" Intel sanctuary by mentioning the shortcomings of Haswell.
So, is it worth waiting for Haswell ? or going for a Ivy Bridge ? I am buying a pc soon. So, I need to know.
Cunningham is a stupid moron. Ignore this idiot and let's move on.
Please refrain from personal attacks. It doesn't help to advance your argument, and it's against the posting guidelines.
RE: gshv
your right, although Cunningham is a stupid retard. OK enough of that. looking forward to Haswell and its new features
is it like...
so from what iv read about haswell. its not faster persay, but smoother. more stable, you can do as much as befor but now you wont bottle neck i guess. im not savy at the technical phrasing of it.
also haswell is initially pointed at battery dependant systems. its designed to save power.
making a decision on whether or not to buy it, cant be made till its out and you see pricing. if you can wait, then wait. if not (like me, im going ahead with i5-3570k) buy whats out now.
people like analogies. 22nm was a new transmission, haswell is a engine tune up. but everyone was expecting an all new powerplant i think, so thats why many are dissmayed.
if sandy/ivy is a watermelon, haswell is a seedless watermelon.<- wrote that as a joke, now that i read it back seems right and profound
First benchmark results on Intel's upcoming Haswell CPU released by OCLab.ru
Google for it.
"An Intel Haswell B0 stepping that was clocked at 2.8GHz was used, and they compared it to an Ivy Bridge clocked at 2.8GHz. The Haswell finished a Super PI 32M run in 11:27, while the Ivy Bridge completed the run in 11:49."
So there you have it. Haswell is unbelievable THREE PERCENT faster than its 2 year old predecessor.
THAT'S why I said FUCK YOU Intel all along this thread.
Have fun buying this piece of crap, Intel fanbois.
haswell
if you read the article it's a engineering sample and everything isn't optimized yet for haswell. It introduces new instructions that suppose to make it faster. It's like Pentium MMX and Pentium non-MMX, MMX was alot faster with the same clock speed.
+1 Cunningham
Hi,
I would say that mr. Cunningham is quite right. The new Intel architecture is not impressive at all especially considering the prices of new chips that come out.
Although the choosing of a CPU might very well depend on what you would be using your computer for.
If you are going after a moderate office machine - ok, buy the new chip and you would be happy, but if you are a dedicated gamer and you are not lacking money, I would say that buying these new chips will not be a good idea.
-1 Cunningham
Comparing clock speeds of two different generations of CPUs is like comparing the grades between two university students you have no idea about otherwise, you'd be tempted to say the higher the grade the higher the performance of that student but that rarely is the case in reality (most high graders these days cram and learn everything word for word and forget almost everything within 2-3 days of the exam), same goes for CPUs, true there's no significant improvement in haswell's clock speed and even in some cases/models an apparent loss but when you're dealing with CPUs efficiency is also a big modifier which none of us know yet.
To put it more simply: You can if you wanted to get a Pentium 4 processor to run at 8 Ghz and nothing on the market will beat that but a Ivy Bridge will rape that Pentium 4 in speed of execution of multiple programs, power efficiency and plain old thermal output. Clock speed is not everything for a CPU and if anyone's blind enough not to see that then they're welcome to head to ebay and build themselves nitrogen cooled Nehalems.
-999999999 Cunningham
don't listen to cunningham, the real benchmark results are out. Check tomshardware or techpowerup
Intel Core i7-4770K "Haswell" Tested, Not a Leap Ahead of i7-3770K, But Consistent
Intel's upcoming performance desktop processor Core i7-4770K, based on its next-generation "Haswell" micro-architecture, got its first formal performance preview by Tom's Hardware, which compared it to its two predecessors, the Core i7-3770K "Ivy Bridge" and Core i7-2700K "Sandy Bridge." The three were put through a battery of synthetic and real-world tests, including SiSoft SANDRA, real-world media transcoders, MSVS code compilation, and 3DSMax 2012.
In some tests, the i7-4770K offers as much of a performance upgrade over the i7-3770K, as it does over the i7-2700K, in others, it's less than linear. In its conclusion, Tom's Hardware notes that it found the i7-4770K on average, 7 to 13 percent faster than the i7-3770K in today's multi-threaded workloads, which is roughly consistent with what the i7-3770K offered over its predecessor, the i7-2700K. Find the entire preview in the source link below. Intel's Core "Haswell" line of desktop processors are expected to launch in June, 2013.
+1 Cunningham
Cunningham is right. Intel forget to evolve. I was waiting for Hasewall but finding out that its only 10% faster turned me off. It should have given at least 33% efficiency + performance. And the guy with words "Cunningham is a moron" is himself a big moron without brain.
+100 billion Cunningham
Cunningham is right. Intel forget to evolve. I was waiting for Hasewall but finding out that its only 10% faster turned me off. It should have given at least 33% efficiency + performance. And the guy with words "Cunningham is a moron" is himself a big moron without brain.