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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or Intel just wanting to troll collectors :p ?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHips wrote:
Or Intel just wanting to troll collectors :p ?


It worked? lol

watch them actually be from AMD to troll Intel lol

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100k is too large quantity just for the lol or mechanical samples...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still nobody tried to make a Die Shot?

Looks like everyone forgot about this chip now...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Still nobody tried to make a Die Shot?

Looks like everyone forgot about this chip now...


I imagine there's a bunch sitting in people's boxes still at AVICC.

Also, isn't it fairly difficult to get good die-shots of flip-chip packages?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fritz took die shot of SoMa https://www.flickr.com/photos/130561288@N04/ so we can see inside those. Seems to be something with 8x8x4 cores on one die that really is just four dies together cut out of wafer as one piece. Those cores seem to have transistor standard cells, so not really possible to know more about them. Then there's some simple I/O bus and PLL common for one group of 64 cores. Maybe those are some custom cores for crypto mining or other highly parallel special task, but seems to be 1024 cores in one package with four dies.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Birdman. wrote:
Fritz took die shot of SoMa https://www.flickr.com/photos/130561288@N04/ so we can see inside those.

It seems to me that the photo does not have processor architecture at all?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As expected, that looks like mostly passive to me. Big resistor array, couple transistors and nothing fancy. That’s really close to a terminator IC for some bus that requires a final resistor on the chain (like memory). But it seems to be a (very) basic support chip and not a super-secret unknown CPU architecture. I still have doubt this has been manufactured by Intel, only packaged.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*digging out this old thread*

Inspired by a sale today i used google anf found that:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314359727145

Some german forum:

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/xeon-soma-geheimnisvolles-mcm-design-von-intel-aufgetaucht.1253461/page-2#post-27376609

(Posting #50, Page2)

And this Reddit discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/e082ng/information_request_on_intel_soma/

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If you have some more news let me know. I wanted to add all this infos here if someone is searching again

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And a Video of the cores

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X0joJPyfoHg

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this link that i didn't see here before...

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1164209-about-an-amazing-intel-soma-cpu%EF%BC%88lga1156%EF%BC%89/


Looks interesting whatever it is..
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Lohi is a typo..

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/loihi
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

special heatspreader for a special cpu Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

max1024 wrote:
Looking at these photos, I do not think that this is a finished product that can work.
https://imgur.com/a/Ea4x0bJ

Not a single capacitor. Strange..



I don't necessarily think a lack of capacitors means it's fake. There's not even unpopulated spaces to put capacitors. From the bottom picture, it's complete. No caps because there's no pads.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About a year or so ago I did some electrical testing on the pads of a SoMa to see what the connections were like and this is what I found.

Blue is almost certainly VSS/GND and green is probably VCC/PWR
The other colours were just other tests and I didn't get around to fully testing those, but there's some resistance between them.

I don't believe that these were mechanical samples.
Also, if you look very closely around the pads with a strong light on them, you'll notice very faint outlines around groups of pads, corresponding to pads that are connected together directly.
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