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Marcin
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JAC I think this should be normed only by country's law about utilization. It is obvious that when you will be hurt by electronic component then you can enquire your rights in court (same as is when you will be poisoned in restaurant).
I hate CE because it doesn't change anything in quality of components but ruined small and medium computer shops which cann't build PC from standard components with CE certificate because final PC don't have CE certificate. Purchase licence for building PC with CE standard is so expensive and makes no profitable. This makes good live only for wholesalers and corporations like IBM, HP etc. Polish companies are smart and sale set of parts on bill of goods but when someone wants complete PC on this bill then it is illegal transaction.
I agree with JAC norms are necessary but only regulated by law not by getting cash from anybody. How it is in Germany ? I think there is calculated cost of recyckling in final item's price. Correct me if I'm in wrong.
Companies should have inspections but shouldn't pay anything because I feel that CE and RoHS are only marketing signs.
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JAC
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Marcin wrote: |
I agree with JAC norms are necessary but only regulated by law not by getting cash from anybody. How it is in Germany ? I think there is calculated cost of recyckling in final item's price. Correct me if I'm in wrong.
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I can only speak for the UK, but across Europe, or rather, the EU, the requirements are similar. Here we pay a fixed price per weight for total electronic goods placed on the market in a year. That money goes to recycling schemes.
As a manufacturer, we have to take back our goods when the customer is finished with them. We must then send them for recycling or recyle them ourselves. The prices involved in recycling are actually very small, because the recycling schemes make money from returning valuable materials back into production streams. So the net additional cost added to a final item price is very low or none at all. Economic forces work to keep the price added on as low as possible.
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I hate CE because it doesn't change anything in quality of components but ruined small and medium computer shops which cann't build PC from standard components with CE certificate because final PC don't have CE certificate. Purchase licence for building PC with CE standard is so expensive and makes no profitable. This makes good live only for wholesalers and corporations like IBM, HP etc. Polish companies are smart and sale set of parts on bill of goods but when someone wants complete PC on this bill then it is illegal transaction.
Companies should have inspections but shouldn't pay anything because I feel that CE and RoHS are only marketing signs. |
You are disliking " CE ", based on one directive, the EMC Directive, yet you want other aspects like electronic safety. You cant have your cake and eat it!
The requirements for EMC compliance as required to place CE Marking on your product is actually very simple. The fact is MANY people do not understand it, they assume you must run every test and at great cost. So some test houses make a lot of money. Europe has identified these problems and the new EMC directive is much simpler. If you take the time to read the directives, identify the standards, and actually understand what you are reading, then it is quite straightforward.
With regards to CE + CE does not equal CE is a long time problem when this all started back around 1996. I remember it well! Now is it well understood ( I hope ), and you mention some suppliers now know how to "work around" the legislation by supplying the computers as components and not a complete assembly. That is one route, but not in the spirit of the Directives.
Consider this one case... a customer wants a single PC system to work in his home office. He wants to have a monitor on a long cable and remote access for USB devices. Now if the computer supplier supplied the SYSTEM complete, it is correct that is must be checked ( either in the design file or by test) to be sure that long cable does cause a problem for his neighbour who likes to use their digital radio without interference.
If the customer buys the parts and assembles the long cables with extenders himself, and the neighbour complains, when the authorities eventually investigate, they will find the owner of the pc who put the extra parts on is causing the problem.
Anyway I can talk all day on this, but it is quite dull to most people. I will say though, I often hear how people dont like one aspect of something, but they never mention how other aspects of the same legislation actually helps them. |
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Marcin
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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JAC I understand your example case but in fact most of PC CE assemblers (wholesalers) are not checking anything ! HP or any other company who cares about quality theirs product don't need any certificates. Market is so full from manufacturers and they want to give the best what they can do.
Sometimes one big defect of rule cover many small advantages. Any law which exist you are interpreting for oneself. Then you feel it is good or bad for you. For me it is bad.
I would like to discuss more with you Jac but only if you change language to polish 
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