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JAC
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| CPUbar wrote: | | JAC wrote: | I am convinced that is a fake remarking.
I havent seen Intel es/qs with variations in the engraving. I suspect this might be a recent fake, one for collectors. |
That is impossible for collectors. Because I found it from hundred of pentium chips. |
Keep it safe then... maybe more information will become available in time that may prove the chip markings are authentic. |
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tlccomp
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| CPUbar wrote: |
That is impossible for collectors. Because I found it from hundred of pentium chips. |
That is interesting.
I have a couple hundred that I quickly went through.
Looking mostly at the bottom. I'll go through them again but more carefully.  |
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JAC
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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btw, I am still convinced it is a fake  |
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CPUbar
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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For the truth, I can lend this chip to the menber of cpu-world. Someone want it ,please tell me.
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FDIV
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think its real. First off I don't buy the whole | Quote: | Anyone with a laser engraver or even just some printing skills can etch "ES" on a chip.
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arguement. I don't know anyone with a laser engraver do you. Thats pretty suffisticated waters to tread in for grifting a couple collectors. Secondly, if you found it where you say you did it is unlikely that a fake made for collectability purposes could have found its way into a pile of scrap chips. Put frankly a genuine laser engraving (which should be apparent enough from an examination under magnification) is good enough for me.
This doesen't make it and ES chip though I think it a qualification sample. Remember that qualification samples are run off normal production lines anyway. In this case they just left the s-spec that normal production part would have had and added the q-spec as well.
I would put money on it if you have more then one to sell. |
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JAC
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: |
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FDIV... check out my posting in off topic about bogus parts. Bury your head in the sand and take everything at face value if you must Fools and their money are easily parted.
Using your own statement.. if it was taken off the normal production run.. why does the extra qspec have a different style of engraving? Why would he have more than one to sell?? Think about it man.
cpubar.. their is little point in testing it.. assuming the SY016 marking are genuine, then that is how I would expect the chip to perform. ( cpuid etc.. )
All you you can do it visually inspect it etc. |
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CPUbar
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Yesterday afternoon, I went to a shop. The shopman show two large parcel that contain full of chips. These electronic garbage come from abroad. They will for gold recovery soon. I check them one by one and just found this especial processor.
This chip miss a pin on corner , I thing it can not work.
That is all.
It is only one, no more for sale or trade.
Someone want to study this chips ,I can lend it to you ,It is free. When finish must send it back to me .
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Cpuswe
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spongiforme
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| chiptalk wrote: | | I don't really know, but my guess is that it is a Mech Sample. |
A mech sample makes sense whenever the package changes... not for this chip. |
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tlccomp
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| chiptalk wrote: | | It has two types of engravings (easy to see), but who is to say, they engraved it as a production chip, then reengraved it as a sample? It does look fishy. It is amazing how good fakes are, so I don't know what to think. |
I agree with "fishy".
Why would you have a Mechanical Sample after the chip has been in production?  |
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bccwchan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| CPUbar wrote: | More detail about this chip.  |
I guess it's fake cpu because the font is different between the first column and the second column. Please compare the "1" of the first column and the second column.
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JAC
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| yeah, I saw this too.. looked very strange so I left it alone. |
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Blackfury
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| JAC wrote: | The "i" is missing. They layout of the text is not normal.
You can clearly see the etching/engraving is different between the "Q056 1429" and the markings below it.
I would expect it to look like this..
Without more information I would say that is a "fake" remarking. The qspec has been put on to try add value. |
so JAC do you mean that any cpu with and "i" is a ES chip or was one?
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CPUbar
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Thanks for everyone`s opinion. I hope I can fina a reproachless pentium ES.
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JAC
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| Blackfury wrote: | | JAC wrote: | The "i" is missing. They layout of the text is not normal.
You can clearly see the etching/engraving is different between the "Q056 1429" and the markings below it.
I would expect it to look like this..
Without more information I would say that is a "fake" remarking. The qspec has been put on to try add value. |
so JAC do you mean that any cpu with and "i" is a ES chip or was one? |
This may not apply to all intel chips, but certainly with the pentiums, yes, it needs the 'i'. All the pentium ES/QS chips I have seen have the 'i'.
Normal production pentiums do not.
Look here...
http://www.rarecpus.com/intel.html |
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