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Marcin
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I trying and trying but I really don't understand topic with overclocking. I have same view as CPUShack :
"Relabeling CPU's at a higher speed clearer makes them fake (think of the Pentium 75's upped to 100's etc) They were sold as a Pentium 100 and marked as a Pentium 100 even though they are in fact a P75 (originally)
My XP was sold to me as a 1533 (and is marked as such), I chose to run it faster. If I were to sell it, it would be sold as a 1533.
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| xi11west wrote: | | JAC wrote: | Re-labeling/marking/packaging cpus is fraud. You are selling one thing when it is a another.
Overclocking a cpu is not fraud. How about underclocking? Is that fake by your definition as well? I underclock to keep the noise right down. It is bliss. I hate computer noise. |
Why overclocking a cpu is not fraud? how much money should you spend on to get a legal 1700MHz Athlon and how much did you actually spend on a 1533MHz Athlon overclocking to 1700MHz? |
um..... 
what most of us are saying is that having FAKE markings on a cpu, i.e. not the original markings put on there by the manufacturer ( e.g. Intel) , IS FRAUD! So the golden pentiums are FAKE.
what people choose to do with a correctly marked cpu, be it overclock or underclock, is NOT FRAUD. Taking my P4 1.5 and running it at 1.6 is NOT FAKE.
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xi11west
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Marcin Majewski wrote: | I trying and trying but I really don't understand topic with overclocking. I have same view as CPUShack :
"Relabeling CPU's at a higher speed clearer makes them fake (think of the Pentium 75's upped to 100's etc) They were sold as a Pentium 100 and marked as a Pentium 100 even though they are in fact a P75 (originally)
My XP was sold to me as a 1533 (and is marked as such), I chose to run it faster. If I were to sell it, it would be sold as a 1533.
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The athlon at 1700MHz sold at a higher price and you chose to run a 1533MHz at 1700MHz is to steal money from AMD.
That's why some processors have locked multipliers. |
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JAC
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That's why some processors have locked multipliers. |
and now you get motherboards with every possible frequency combination (almost ) individually adjustable. |
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xi11west
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| JAC wrote: | | xi11west wrote: | | JAC wrote: | Re-labeling/marking/packaging cpus is fraud. You are selling one thing when it is a another.
Overclocking a cpu is not fraud. How about underclocking? Is that fake by your definition as well? I underclock to keep the noise right down. It is bliss. I hate computer noise. |
Why overclocking a cpu is not fraud? how much money should you spend on to get a legal 1700MHz Athlon and how much did you actually spend on a 1533MHz Athlon overclocking to 1700MHz? |
um.....
what most of us are saying is that having FAKE markings on a cpu, i.e. not the original markings put on there by the manufacturer ( e.g. Intel) , IS FRAUD! So the golden pentiums are FAKE.
what people choose to do with a correctly marked cpu, be it overclock or underclock, is NOT FRAUD. Taking my P4 1.5 and running it at 1.6 is NOT FAKE.
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Then why intel want to lock the multipliers, if what you are doing cost nothing to them?
It does cost the price difference of P4/1.5GHz and P4/1.6GHz !
And what do you call that? NOT FRAUD?  |
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Cpuswe
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OK, "fraud" will be the better word.  |
Same thing anyway. A fraud is an illegal act according to laws in your country.
Fraud: "A deception, intended to wrongfully obtain money or property from the reliance of another on the deceptive statements or acts, believing them to be true."
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Marcin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| xi11west wrote: | The athlon at 1700MHz sold at a higher price and you chose to run a 1533MHz at 1700MHz is to steal money from AMD.
That's why some processors have locked multipliers. |
I can't agree with that. Overclocking is overclocking. You can't give certificate and give 100% response about that Athlon 1700+ example JIUHB will work stabile at 1700 MHz. At 2100+ model you can do that 
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The athlon at 1700MHz sold at a higher price and you chose to run a 1533MHz at 1700MHz is to steal money from AMD.
That's why some processors have locked multipliers. |
No, not at all, locked multipliers are for one reason. to keep people from remarking CPU's at a higher speed and reselling them. that is THE reson for locked multipliers (and it makes it easier for a mobo to detect the proper speed)
Overclocking is a very very small percentage of a CPU makers sales. and is really not a concern.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Cpuswe wrote: | | xi11west wrote: |
OK, "fraud" will be the better word. |
Same thing anyway. A fraud is an illegal act according to laws in your country.
Fraud: "A deception, intended to wrongfully obtain money or property from the reliance of another on the deceptive statements or acts, believing them to be true." |
"intended to wrongfully obtain money or property"
That decsirbes the overclocking |
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xi11west
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| CPUShack wrote: | | xi11west wrote: |
The athlon at 1700MHz sold at a higher price and you chose to run a 1533MHz at 1700MHz is to steal money from AMD.
That's why some processors have locked multipliers. |
No, not at all, locked multipliers are for one reason. to keep people from remarking CPU's at a higher speed and reselling them. that is THE reson for locked multipliers (and it makes it easier for a mobo to detect the proper speed)
Overclocking is a very very small percentage of a CPU makers sales. and is really not a concern. |
More precisely, to prevent the processor running at a higher speed than what was marked. |
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Cpuswe
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| xi11west wrote: | | Cpuswe wrote: | | xi11west wrote: |
OK, "fraud" will be the better word. |
Same thing anyway. A fraud is an illegal act according to laws in your country.
Fraud: "A deception, intended to wrongfully obtain money or property from the reliance of another on the deceptive statements or acts, believing them to be true." |
"intended to wrongfully obtain money or property"
That decsirbes the overclocking |
No, i obtain the cpu by paying for it. Not by fraud.
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xi11west
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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But you got extra perfomance you didn't pay for.
The difference in performance is the price difference. |
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Marcin
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I think extra performance have all best products example Nike foot ball. It is written 2 years play - I play 4th year. I didn't paid for that extra performance and I can't said it was fake 
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More precisely, to prevent the processor running at a higher speed than what was marked. |
No, to prevent it from being SOLD at higher speed.
You can still run it at a higher speed by changing the bus
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