1000Mhz Duron vs Athlon

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: 1000Mhz Duron vs Athlon Reply with quote

Howdy all...newbie here.

I have a box of assorted processors that have been recovered from various machines over the years, Including a couple of AMD 1000Mhz CPUs.

One is an Athlon-A1000AMT3B, the other is a Duron DHD1000AMT1B. Both 1000Mhz w/ 200Mhz FSB.

From a speed perspective, how do these compare? I assume the Athlon to be a bit quicker, but is this a noticeable difference?

The Duron has been in the wife's main desktop for 7 years on a Biostar M7VKS MoBo, and worked flawlessly.

Are there any 2-processor Motherboards that anybody knows of that would work with these two chips? Guess I just hate to let them go, and always looking for a project.

Thanks up front!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

welcome to CPU-World!

The Athlon has better performance than the Duron because it has more L2 cache on board - 256KB vs. 64KB. You should notice a slight performance difference.

The dual processor motherboards require Athlon MP processors, so yours will not work (at least, not in dual mode).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any dual core processor that has been out now is far better than 2 old Athlons.

If you really are looking for pleasure to have 2 Amds, follow Neons idea of getting 2 Athlons MP.

Otherwise go for a cheap Athlon X2 + mobo, you can find good prices now.




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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is possible to mod an Athlon into an AthlonMP (or Mobile). Just google 'athlon pencil trick', I unlocked mulipliers and changed voltages on those ceramic AMDs by the dozens, 100% working. It was easy when connecting the bridges, cutting them was much harder Smile you can find loads of info about it anytwhere

ps. Athlon will be faster due to larger L2, but in my experience Durons overclocked a bit better (dunno why). Remeber running a Duron 700 at 1033MHz (148x7) at 1.86V on a ECS K7S5A (!). Good ol' days Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomsonicus,

1.86V on a Duron, kamikaze style... I like it!

You had lots of fun back then, that's the spirit!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Thanks... Reply with quote

Thanks for the comments. Appreciate the info on the Pencil trick, Thomsonicus. After reconnecting the bridges, by the way, will a Duron 1000 Mhz work in a MoBo with DDR200/266 RAM?

Kinda got interested in all of this for two reasons. The shops around here charge insane cash for everything from new builds to minor repairs, and I always felt that if these guys could do these processes, so could I.

Also have this insane curiosity, and recycle everything. The box of old CPUs includes AMD-Intel and even some old Cyrix chips. Some are a bit too obsolete to be practical, but others...well that's why I started the post!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
thomsonicus,

1.86V on a Duron, kamikaze style... I like it!

You had lots of fun back then, that's the spirit!
Kamikaze style? Those CPU's are 0,18 micron and handle 1,85V with ease Smile. Don't forget that a lot of Athlon's were shipped with 1,75V as default voltage. Running them even higher (1,95V or 2V) is no problem either as long as there is decent cooling.

My AMD Athlon XP 1800+ (Thoroughbred 0,13 micron) ran at 2533MHz with 1,85V. The smaller the production process (in micron) the more difficult and damaging it is to run high voltages. And yet, the CPU still works fine Smile (I do run it less overclocked now because it isn't on watercooling anymore and it's an 24/7 system so energy-costs come into play). I even had it on around 2,1V to test the max. frequency (which was 2,7GHz, probably need DI/LN2 to get higher) which wasn't much of a problem either. However, I would not recommend 2V+ for 24/7 operation.

The question Duron vs. Athlon: The AMD Duron 1GHz is based upon the 'Morgan' core which means it has SSE instructions. The AMD Athlon 'Thunderbird' doesn't have these. With SSE intensitive applications the Duron will be less slow. Few applications even require SSE or they don't run at all. In general the AMD Athlon will be faster because of the larger L2 cache. Especially in L2-cache intensitive situations like games.

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ps. Athlon will be faster due to larger L2, but in my experience Durons overclocked a bit better (dunno why). Remeber running a Duron 700 at 1033MHz (148x7) at 1.86V on a EaCS K7S5A (!). Good ol' days Smile
The AMD Duron's clocked better because they had less L2 cache. CPU's with more L2 cache tend to overclock less good.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You confirmed my idea: you start at 1.8, you end at 2,x+ Wink

You got exactly what I meant!
One thing I remember is those poor h/s you got with durons... hot!

When a cpu was 200$ worth, you wouldn't screw too much. Today you try funny things that would have been risky back then.


I repeat, I like kamikaze style when playing with Athlons... can still remember that bastard 1333, could never get it beyond 1500 stable.
Finally I sold it. Got a bunch of Cyrix and opened an egg cooking shop.
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