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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:55 am    Post subject: Competition: what was the first RISC-microprocessor? Reply with quote

Who made it and when was it introduced?
Do you guys have an idea? Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I'll give some hints:
It has a very nice gold plated package!
The company that produced it that time does
not exist anymore but other derivated RISC-processors
are still produced by another company.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

801 from IBM??? And it was never commercialized
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, if not exist then are Acorn computers, and ARM microprocessor who not comercialized. the ARM2 from 198x (x =5?) are the first comercial RISC processor
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tegranphos wrote:
801 from IBM??? And it was never commercialized


Very nice one, I wasn't aware of the 801 myself!
The ARM design is still eminent but I am sorry both
were not the first RISC-designs that were used in a
commercial microprocessor product.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signetics 8x300 had very simple instruction set with only 16 instructions. If I'm not mistaken, the processor had 8 general registers and all instructions were 16-bit wide. There is a datasheet for this CPU in Signetics manual, printed in 1976, so it was released before 1980.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I search and found:

The 801 was never commercialized, but a derivative single-chip implementation, the Research/Office Products Microprocessor (ROMP) was used in IBM's first production RISC system, the PC RT (introduced, like the first PA-RISC system, in January 1986)

http://www.aallison.com/history.htm


My bad english and this web mean that the first RISC, if 801 is discard, are HP PA-RISC

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gshv wrote:
Signetics 8x300 had very simple instruction set with only 16 instructions. If I'm not mistaken, the processor had 8 general registers and all instructions were 16-bit wide. There is a datasheet for this CPU in Signetics manual, printed in 1976, so it was released before 1980.

Gennadiy


designed by Scientific Micro Systems and called SMS300 but they never produced any for market

other choices are Moto's 14500B, MIPS Computer Systems R2000 or Fairchild's F8

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neon_WA wrote:
designed by Scientific Micro Systems and called SMS300 but they never produced any for market

SMS300 maybe wasn't produced, but Signetics did make 8x300.

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other choices are Moto's 14500B, MIPS Computer Systems R2000 or Fairchild's F8

I'm not sure if F8 instruction set can qualify as "reduced". It was simple enough, but that was common in 1970s.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

8X300 is a RISC type device, though its usually heralded as the first DSP, as it had little support for memory operations.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No hit yet, I will give some more hints.
It is older than the 8X300 and it loves to crunch numbers Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doccybrown wrote:
Tegranphos wrote:
801 from IBM??? And it was never commercialized


Very nice one, I wasn't aware of the 801 myself!
The ARM design is still eminent but I am sorry both
were not the first RISC-designs that were used in a
commercial microprocessor product.


The first true single-chip incarnation of the IBM RISC projects was the ROMP CPU, used in the IBM RT-PC. The 801 is a direct ancestor of both ROMP and POWER processors. It isn't a true microprocessor, since it's realized with discrete SSI/MSI ECL components. The ROMP is a two-chip MOS design (CPU + memory controller).
The 8X300 IMHO is a excellent good candidate for the "1st RISC commercial micro" title: several different RISC experimental designs were made in the beginning of the '80s, but the 8X300 had been developed in 1974/5 and introduced in 1976. The concept of "load/store architecture" was introduced for the 1st time with the CDC 6600 supercomputer in 1964 (designed by Seymour Cray). Wikipedia lists the Data General NOVA among the first RISC-like microarchitectures (it's likely a citation form the well-know book of Hennessy and Patterson) - but it isn't a microprocessor!
Definitely my choice is the 8X300.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 8X300 was the first microprocessor that
had both a reduced instruction set and
a Harvard-architecture. But it was not the very first
microprocessor that had a reduced instruction set.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello
General Instruments PIC1650 from 1977.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol.....i think i suspect...where u going this threat .... Smile
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