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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject: i8080 and i8080A Reply with quote

Trying to find out any info&images on i8080 (not 8080A)
Does anyone have this device?
It's not easy cause all use just 8080 actually meaning 8080A.

Russian (but not English, French or Ukrainian, i can't read any more) wiki says 8080 was made in 48-pin flat package, PMOS, 4500 transistors. And it had an critical error fixed later in 8080A, NMOS, 4000 transistors.

What are they exact reliese dates? 8080 and 8080A ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithy has a few in his collection
http://www.smithschips.com.au/index.php?id=8080

will have to check.. but think the 8080 was released April 1974.. not sure about the 8080A

EDit : the 8080A is listed in the Sept 1975 8080 User manual.. so was released before then

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link.
Looks like was no any flat 48-pin package.
8080 (second row central) - the date is Week 6 1975.

Now I need to look at 8080 die. This site says 8080 and 8080A have diff transistor's nubber (but point to 1973 and 1976 years Smile )

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the 8080 & 8080A were both NMOS

number of transistors should be the same for both.. and it is noted from 4500 - 6000

In this oral history.. they list the number as 5000
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/102658123

a few quotes

this one regarding designing the 8080 using NMOS

Then we talked with Seikosha. Seikosha is the parent company of Epson. They were a customer of the
8008, and they decided to build a hardware emulator for Intel. But unfortunately, it was completed just
before the wafer out. But they supported my work to generate the test vector. It was quite a big help for
us. Thirdly, the process for making semiconductors had been changed from PMOS to NMOS. Therefore
I had to learn how to use NMOS, and once again from Federico. I was not able to utilize the database of
the 8008, because the 8008 used two clocks for one state, and also it was a PMOS process.


How many transistors in the 8080?
Shima: I estimated about 5,000.


Shima: But when I came back from Japan, I found out one big serious trouble–big trouble. It was the
internal main ground line had a narrow width, which was allowed only low power TTL. Even with low
power TTL, we had trouble, but it sold quite well. After the correction of the ground line, we changed the
product name to the 8080A.

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