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Vlasta

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:29 am Post subject: Advice - Microscopy |
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Dudes - been trying to get better and better images of my devices - both the keepers and the sellers. I made an inquiry at the university in HK and they made me the following offer:-
"MCPF has optical microscopes (OM) and scanning electron microscopes (SEM) that may be suitable for your case. The selection of OM or SEM depends on the size of your dies/devices (or the magnification needed). The charge rate for OM and SEM is 400 HK$/hour and 750 HK$/hour respectively."
What would you recommend - Optical or scanning electron? And how many do you reckon I could image in a 1 hour session?
For ref. 1 USD = approx 7.7 HKD _________________ best rgds.
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Robev

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Talk to Stu, he is the microscope expert  _________________ The Older they are the Better they are. |
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Neon_WA

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: |
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optical.. long as they have a metallurgical microscope
at 45x the size dies you have would need 4 pictures to make one die
at 200x about 30
at 800x about 120
takes me about hour to take about 100 picture
but if they have a motorised setup... 100 pictures might only take 15 minutes _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world:
those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown
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Robev

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Advice - Microscopy |
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| Vlasta wrote: | Dudes - been trying to get better and better images of my devices - both the keepers and the sellers. I made an inquiry at the university in HK and they made me the following offer:-
"MCPF has optical microscopes (OM) and scanning electron microscopes (SEM) that may be suitable for your case. The selection of OM or SEM depends on the size of your dies/devices (or the magnification needed). The charge rate for OM and SEM is 400 HK$/hour and 750 HK$/hour respectively."
What would you recommend - Optical or scanning electron? And how many do you reckon I could image in a 1 hour session?
For ref. 1 USD = approx 7.7 HKD |
I think you could buy a reasonable USB Microscope for not a lot more than the 1 hour session price  _________________ The Older they are the Better they are. |
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Neon_WA

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Advice - Microscopy |
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| Robev wrote: | I think you could buy a reasonable USB Microscope for not a lot more than the 1 hour session price  |
magnification on USB microscopes not really an issue... biggest issue is the lighting
LED lighting on dies.. washes out all the colour _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world:
those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown
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Vlasta

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: |
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So those USD scopes on eBay are actually useful? They only have like a 2 Megapixel sensor. _________________ best rgds.
Steve |
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Neon_WA

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Vlasta wrote: | | So those USD scopes on eBay are actually useful? They only have like a 2 Megapixel sensor. |
3MP would be idea.. but anything above that is just adding extra pixels into the blur
the issue is that they use LED light which is narrower than normal white light
so the pictures will basically only be shades of blue _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world:
those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown
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Vlasta

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:14 am Post subject: |
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If I clipped out the LEDs and replaced them with what? I am an engineer by training so not beyond me to replace them....... with a better light source. _________________ best rgds.
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Neon_WA

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:37 am Post subject: |
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for proper lighting.. you need incandescent (the common filament light bulb) or natural light florescent lighting.
neither of these are a small option in the space occupied by the LEDs _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world:
those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown
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Vlasta

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:53 am Post subject: |
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So other than spending a small fortune on a proper 'scope what's the alternative? _________________ best rgds.
Steve |
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Neon_WA

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I will see on weekend if I can get time to take some pictures using natural light & LED light to show what you would end up with USB microscope
and then you can make a decision
next alternative is attaching a reverse lens to a digital camera.. to give you a "macro" camera
should be a few threads around here about the technique _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world:
those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown
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Vlasta

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Neon_WA wrote: | I will see on weekend if I can get time to take some pictures using natural light & LED light to show what you would end up with USB microscope
and then you can make a decision
next alternative is attaching a reverse lens to a digital camera.. to give you a "macro" camera
should be a few threads around here about the technique |
Thanks!!!!! _________________ best rgds.
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Vlasta

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Neon - did you get a chance to take those shots? _________________ best rgds.
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Neon_WA

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:28 am Post subject: |
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ok.. here are a few for you to judge by
all pictures taken at 1280 x 960 (1.3MP) and cropped to 600 x 400 (no reduction in image resolution)
Compound Microscope (10 - 45X) Light is reflected at an angle onto the item being viewed
x40_Natural >> using natural light at 40X magnification
x40_LED >> using LED light source at 40X magnification
Metallurgical Microscope (80 - 800X) Light is reflected vertical (perpendicular) onto the item being viewed
x80_Natural >> using natural light at 80X magnification
x160_Natural >> using natural light at 160X magnification _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world:
those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown
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Vlasta

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Wonderful - what A DIFFERENCE!!! _________________ best rgds.
Steve |
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