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tehnika
Joined: 29 Nov 2021 Posts: 104 Location: BG
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:44 am Post subject: ship to AVICC |
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I want to share with everyone my experience with AVICC
Turns out it's not as profitable as they want you to think.
I bought 2 processors for 3$ each from Australia, and with shipping to AVICC it cost an extra 1,2$ shipping.
The AVICC to send me an envelope with these processors + 1 extra processor for $9, he asked me another $9 for the letter, and after it arrived , because they had put a price of $10 + postage $3.67 - I paid another $5 customs ( offer 9 $ , shipping cost is 3.67$ )
so the total bill is for 3 processors
2 x $3 = 1 x $9 = $15
and the shipment from Australia to USA and then to Bulgaria with customs came to $15.2
I don't see the point of all this shipping around the world .
For some it may be profitable , but I am not of that opinion .
Take it into consideration and arrange before you pay to have no price on the shipment - a sample is quite enough. And check how much it costs to post a letter type item to you.
If someone want to see letter with price - justo type me a PM |
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cvandijk
Joined: 21 Jul 2016 Posts: 3589 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:56 am Post subject: |
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You saved money by sending the package from Austria to AVICC because it is not possible to sent it that cheap directly from Australia to Bulgaria.
And since a few months you need to pay VAT for every package outside the EU, so AVIIC is a saver.
If I read it correctly the total value for the cpu's is $3+$3+$9= $15. Add shipping $9, so total value for the package is $24, but the customs only calculated for $10+$3.67= $13.67? That means you are even in luck, you didn't pay the VAT for the real value, right? |
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tehnika
Joined: 29 Nov 2021 Posts: 104 Location: BG
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I shared an experience and you immediately attacked me.
| cvandijk wrote: | | You saved money by sending the package from Austria to AVICC because it is not possible to sent it that cheap directly from Australia to Bulgaria. |
unfortunately you are wrong - check the prices again
here's a site for you to consider!
https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/option/international/AU/BG
| cvandijk wrote: | | And since a few months you need to pay VAT for every package outside the EU, so AVIIC is a saver. |
in my case it doesn't look quite like that.
| cvandijk wrote: | | If I read it correctly the total value for the cpu's is $3+$3+$9= $15. Add shipping $9, so total value for the package is $24, but the customs only calculated for $10+$3.67= $13.67? That means you are even in luck, you didn't pay the VAT for the real value, right? |
Why when they tax me - I have no invoice for it ?
Do you still think they saved me money ?
How do things come from China with no customs and twice cheaper shipping ?
AVICC sent me the stuff, what the seller from Australia didn't want. I am grateful to them for that
I'll say it again - I don't think this is profitable , as much as you want to make it out to be.
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cuttingedgecs
Joined: 08 Oct 2017 Posts: 1764 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| The cheapest postage from Australia to Bulgaria is about $20, and then you'd need to pay tax on top of that once it arrived.. it would have been way more expensive than the shipping you paid. AVICC isn't some kind of scam to make profits from shipping. Shipping and import duties are just expensive no matter how you do it. If you want to save money on shipping, wait until you have more than 3 CPUs to ship. It works out cheaper per pound the more pounds you ship. |
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tehnika
Joined: 29 Nov 2021 Posts: 104 Location: BG
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| cuttingedgecs wrote: | | The cheapest postage from Australia to Bulgaria is about $20, and then you'd need to pay tax on top of that once it arrived.. it would have been way more expensive than the shipping you paid. AVICC isn't some kind of scam to make profits from shipping. Shipping and import duties are just expensive no matter how you do it. If you want to save money on shipping, wait until you have more than 3 CPUs to ship. It works out cheaper per pound the more pounds you ship. |
then please explane me that ?
https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/option/international/AU/BG
" Letter (250g)
Up to 130 x 240 x 5mm
Up to 250g
$3.50 " |
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cvandijk
Joined: 21 Jul 2016 Posts: 3589 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| tehnika wrote: | | I shared an experience and you immediately attacked me. |
I didn't mean to attack you, just trying to explain what happened.
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| cvandijk wrote: | | And since a few months you need to pay VAT for every package outside the EU, so AVIIC is a saver. |
in my case it doesn't look quite like that.
| cvandijk wrote: | | If I read it correctly the total value for the cpu's is $3+$3+$9= $15. Add shipping $9, so total value for the package is $24, but the customs only calculated for $10+$3.67= $13.67? That means you are even in luck, you didn't pay the VAT for the real value, right? |
Why when they tax me - I have no invoice for it ?
Do you still think they saved me money ?
How do things come from China with no customs and twice cheaper shipping ?
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I think AVIIC put the values on the customs form, that's required by export rules/law.
That means you have been lucky with other packages, or the shipper paid the taxes beforehand. You need to pay import taxes for every package outside the EU, see https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/ioss_en
| Quote: | According to the VAT rules applicable up until 1 July 2021, no import VAT has to be paid for commercial goods of a value up to EUR 22.
The new VAT e-commerce rules abolish this provision as of 1 July 2021. Thus, from 1 July 2021, all commercial goods imported into the EU from a third country or third territory is subject to VAT irrespective of their value. |
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cuttingedgecs
Joined: 08 Oct 2017 Posts: 1764 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Then please explane me that ?
https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/option/international/AU/BG
" Letter (250g)
Up to 130 x 240 x 5mm
Up to 250g
$3.50 "[/quote]
And if I was sending you a 5mm thick letter then that would work out just fine, but
1) the CPUs are more than 5mm thick, and need to be packaged to prevent damage. Trying to send them as a 5mm letter would fail at the first step.
2) I know it varies from country to country, but AusPost are very strict on things sent as letters being actual letters. If you try to send anything other than paper as a letter they send it back with a fine.
The only way to send these to you would be as a parcel, which as the site you've referenced says costs $26.40 Australian - about $20US like I said. Frankly, you should trust that I inderstand my own country's postal system better than you do. If I could ship more cheaply I would make a lot more sales; so I have no reason to provide poor shipping options. |
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tehnika
Joined: 29 Nov 2021 Posts: 104 Location: BG
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:49 am Post subject: |
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once you say, I just read the terms of the site.
But there were no problems from USA , and they are definitely stricter about it. |
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Wasmachineman_NL

Joined: 04 Jul 2019 Posts: 988 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:31 am Post subject: |
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You forgot the other advantage of AVICC: some sellers don't want to ship outside the USA. *cough* a NOS rinse aid reservoir for one of my Asko dishwashers I found in the USA of all places *cough*
And then there's me with my Precisions and my massive hard-on for NOS Precision parts. Combining part orders from the USA saves me a lot on shipping in the end. |
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max1024

Joined: 15 Jan 2015 Posts: 636 Location: Belarus
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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There are more then 100+ and no one - of avicc, Thx all who support and develop it  |
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wren4777

Joined: 13 Dec 2016 Posts: 571 Location: Litija, Slovenia
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cuttingedgecs wrote: |
The only way to send these to you would be as a parcel, which as the site you've referenced says costs $26.40 Australian - about $20US like I said. Frankly, you should trust that I inderstand my own country's postal system better than you do. If I could ship more cheaply I would make a lot more sales; so I have no reason to provide poor shipping options. |
As a fellow Aussie, I can confirm this. At my local post office, they have a cardboard sheet thing with a small cutout in it. If your "letter" is too thick to fit through it, they make you send it as a parcel.
As for AVICC - I have saved so much money by having items posted there and shipped in bulk to me. John/CPUShack is doing an invaluable service to us chip collectors by running it, and while good-faith criticism is always fine, trying to paint a near-free service we all benefit from as a scam is IMO a bit of a silly thing to do. _________________ My WTB List
My collection
Have a nice day!  |
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Mr.Scott

Joined: 15 Jul 2014 Posts: 267 Location: Upstate NY USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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John offers a great service here.
Bottom line is.........
If you're unhappy with it, don't use it.
Case closed. |
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debs3759

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 9477 Location: Northampton, Divided Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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For very small packages like that from outside the US, John has never claimed it to be cheaper overall. For larger packages, and combining packages, especially when they originate within the US, it is usually cheaper. It's up to the buyer to check. Most of us use AVICC for reshipping, and you are the first I have seen complaining about it. John offers a few services through AVICC, mostly to make out lives easier. I don't mind paying a little extra overall if it makes life easier by combining things. John does have to eat and pay his mortgage, after all He does so much for the community, it's impossible to be perfect for everyone.
Often, US sellers will only ship within the US (or charge a fortune to ship internationally), or a seller from here might prefer to send everything in a single package, which John then distributes. That's where we see the real benefits. _________________ My graphics card database can be found at http://www.gpuzoo.com.
I can resist anything except temptation.
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Marcin

Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 8519 Location: Poland
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Like mentioned before, problem is with global rise of shipping costs (inflation) + new customs rules in UE which are greedy to grab as much as they can from parcells makes an effect all is more expensive around us. AVICC domain is to help/support to reduce costs of shippings. More things you gather more you save. _________________ Visit ABC CPU - Virtual CPU Museum. |
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max1024

Joined: 15 Jan 2015 Posts: 636 Location: Belarus
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Paper Letters for CPU? No! Legs may be bent and smd's are lost! Some times i've got such cpus from China (ali-express), so enough for me. I prefer solid wooden boxes, such packing from John never been damaged, on 7th box I've made a dog-house from wooden postal boards, so it is even useful in life )) |
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