Forum Suggestion...

[Hippo]

Just a suggestion here but what about a price check forum?

I know prices can be subjective, but I'm sure there are other people besides me who would like to know the value of a certain intergrated circuit.

It would become a useful tool in time too, being able to look back at certain prices and how they have risen/fallen over time.

Thoughts?

[JAC]

Its a good idea hippo, but forums like this are responsible for driving the prices up on some chips. Ebay bidding wars and shill bidding by dishonest sellers ( you knwo who you are) also make silly prices.

[jd]

...mmmm...not a bad plan tho...
What about more of an approx Chip value board type thing?One that everone could agree on...

For people who needs to sell their chips, but don't always know that value base on a scale of 1-10 like scratches/worn/bent pins....etc we'd put like :


Exemple:

Pentium 133 overdrive. With just a few hair like small scratches but no bent pins.

0-2 = $1 or less : terrible shape, almost worthless.

3-5 = $2 to $3.50 : small hair like scratches but no bent pins...

6-8 = $4-$6 : excellent condition ,no scratches or bent pins ,just small signs of wear.

9-10 =$7-$9 Perfect show-room condition !!!






anyways, just an exemple not real prices...



JD

[sammyc]

[wepwawet]

Just like a catalogue for stamps, why not.
Silly prices don't sell.
Shill bidders buy their own stuff.

I think this problem would regulate itself after a while.

When chip collecting gets as serious as stamp collecting the time for a catalogue will come.

... I remember a similar plan in a project called vicca.

[Mixeur]

I remember many plan like this.

But there is nothing for the moment because :

- Not everyone can agree on every price (in some countries, some chips are cheap and on others, they are xepensive and vice versa)
- too much chips to quote
- prices change too fast

So it is is too much work !!!


If you can provide a nice web interface with a database behind, I can enter some prices...
But can you do it ?

[chipcollector]

Me and SammyC are currently working on a webpage for pricing; infact, we made this idea MONTHS ago but didn't want to tell anyone until it finished. The database will consist of a constantly updated list of chips- everytime something sells on ebay for instance, the price will be updated and averaged, along with PDF pricing proof.

[jd]

Well ,there u go I guess....since it's being done, might as well end this topic





the end !




JD

[Hippo]

My original query was for a forum where a user could ask:

'How much is this XXX worth'

Then you could work out the price from what people reply with. The trouble with ebay auctions is they are not really indicative of somethings value.

[chipcollector]

[sammyc]

[jd]

Hmmm..I don't know man....
Ebay is more of a "fluk" then an accurate place for Price comparison...






JD

[wepwawet]

a lot of interesting chips sold the last months on ebay for very high prices just because there were three or four collectors with a lot of money searching.
a chip that sells today for 200 bucks may sell just for 50 when those "rich collectors" are satisfied.
and next month another one with money decides to build a chip collection within three months by force and buys everything for any price.

my opinion is that any kind of catalogue or forum must take care of these facts as well as the simple truth that at this time "we" are too less to create a good statistic.

we must live with the knowledge about inaccurate pricing models for a while.

so both ideas - a catalogue or a forum - have pros and cons.

btw, a website/forum is much better kept up to date.
something that is essential in the early days...

[JAC]

[metalmaker]

Seems it might become like some investment forums for stocks - like on Yahoo. People who already own or want to sell at a higher price become the "cheerleaders" for higher prices. And those who sold too soon or want to buy cheaper become the "naysayers".

Collector items are just like investment stocks - there is no set value. The market for collectables is an auction type market (just like stocks). How many "valuable" chips are offered on the forum? As soon as real money is involved it usually goes to Ebay or "make me an offer". I think the recent action on ebay (we have all seen the "Morrow" auctions) is very much like the action on thinly traded (thinly traded means there are not many transactions) stocks. It is easy for the price to manipulated and for "irrational exuberence" to create price bubbles. The greater fool theory is now at work in chip collecting on Ebay IMO.

BTW - I have collected stamps and coins and every serious stamp and coin collector knows those price guides are useless for establishing actual sale value. They show relative value at best. I once watched a guy trying to sell a coin to a dealer for the value he saw in a book. The dealer said "I could not even sell it for that price, and certainly cannot buy it for that price. Books don't buy and sell coins."

MM