How not to prove a point

[masonator]

I have just had the most pointless dabate ever with someone whos.. well... clearly not all there, please check the debate and tell me what you think. It has been edited to make it Disney Friendly. I think its quite funny. Almost infuriating to read! Enjoy!


View1 - When's your new PC get here and when you going to install wow?

View2 - Dunno yet mate. I just made a change to the mobo to maybe a little later. Probably 7 w/days from yesterday.

View1 - looks like I might have to buy a new PC so I want to check yours out when it gets here, you so should have got dual AMD chips though that's what I'll be getting

View2 - http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2014655,00.asp

From what I’ve seen the AMDs are best for budget performance, but the intels are better and have a lot more leeway when it comes to overclocking. I’ll be able to get my E6600 running at a stable 3.0 - 3.6 on stock cooling. Which is amazing really, plus with the added bonus of 4MB L2 Cache, it’s defiantly one of the best CPU’s out there.

I’ll let you know when she arrives. That pcspecialist.co.uk place is really good, but if you’ve already got an OS with validating serials, then your best of building it elsewhere and saving about 100 – 150 quid.

View1 - AMD own Intel..... AMD even say on there website they own Intel you cant put something like that up if it aint true you would get sued to high heaven.

I checked it all out, I can get a dopeness pc which is basically case motherboard cpu and HD for a nice £321 i took all the software dvd and graphics off as mine are all way better than anything they have

View2 - Mate, I honestly can’t find a comparison review saying the AMD is better performance wise. What chip and mobo are you looking at for that price??!!?

View1 - look on AMD website,

AMD Athlon x2 4200+

Asus M2N4-Sli motherboard

160gb Sata HD

View2 - All I can find is an article about AMD challenging Intel, Intel didn’t take part so AMD declared themselves the winner. That’s not being better.
That’s a decent processor, but I’d get the E6300. the mobo is like the AMD version of mine as well. You gonna get one of their lovely cases? Its all about oldschool…..

View1 - no there should be articles of benchmark tests with all the stats on, I'll find it when I get home and send it on

I don't want Intel, I will probably get the case but don't know if I will use it as I have three spare cases now, I am still holding on to a prayer my dad will fix mine as I don't want to go shelling out anymore money on computers

View2 - Im sure that some of the AMD chips are better than the intel chips. However, an overclocked E6600 canes all of them.

View1 - not the opotron or whatever its called its the best chip on the market

View2 - ‘fraid not pal. Opteron dual core would get leathered by my E6600 o/c’d.
View1 - No, I don't think you know what your on about, your chip isn't better than a Xeon and a Xeon is not as good as the Operation

View2 - Opteron is all crap mate. Released like 3 years ago and nothing changed to its architecture since then, it’s a server processor as well, nothing todo with desktops.
The flagship chip for AMD at the moment is the Athlon 64 X2, which was rated best when it was against the Pentium Ds. But it aint a Pentium D mate, it’s a Core 2 Duo, Conroe architecture, my E6600 oc’d to 3-3.6ghz, would wee on both chips. Get with the times or get off the boat. Home time. Laters.
View1 - Your wrong, I did a search in google, AMD Vs Intel and in none of the reviews did intel come out on top reviews from Zdnet and Cnet as well, do a search sometime and learn something.... I don't know why you couldn't find these documents either... convenience I guess

View2 - The AMD is a good chip, but at the moment, current day, not 2 years ago, Intel is the best Chip. If you’re going to quote online reviews, I suggest reading them first.

Cnet - Dual-core desktop CPU bout: AMD vs. Intel – AMD Wins
AMD Athlon 64 X2 vs. Pentium D
November 23, 2005
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-1.html?tag=btn

Zdnet - Dual core shoot-out: Intel versus AMD – AMD Wins
AMD Athlon 64 X2 vs. Pentium D
November 03, 2005
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/components/0,1000001694,39233885-7,00.htm

Intel Core 2 Duo vs AMD Athlon 64 FX-62
AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 vs. Intel Core 2 Duo – Intel Wins
27th July 2006
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/27/core_2_duo_vs_athlon_64_fx-62/

Intel Core 2 Duo Vs. AMD X2 AM2--Top to Bottom
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ vs. Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 – Intel Wins
September 12, 2006
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2014685,00.asp

Game Over? Core 2 Duo Knocks Out Athlon 64
Athlon 64 FX-62 vs. Intel Core 2 Duo – Intel Wins
July 14, 2006
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64_uk/page18.html

So there we go… undisputable proof that the Intel is best. Do a search sometime and learn something. I don’t know why you didn’t read those documents either…. Convenience I guess Wink

View1 - So the most up to date you could find was 6 months old.......... and from Tomshardware.... Intel are not better than AMD that's the bottom line

View2 -Hahaha stop being an embarrassment. 6 months is better than over 12 months! Toms hardware, Reg hardware and Extreme Tech, not to be sniffed at. You haven’t got a clue what you on about and it’s funny. And that, my son, is the bottom line.

View1 - what ever makes you happy.... I have more of a clue than you my friend

View2 - Prove it.

View1 - I don't need to

View2 - Then you are Wrong. Gutted.

View1 - not at all, I work with PC's all day every day I am second line senior tech support with MCP's up the Cairo, I don't need to prove anything to you I know I am right

View2 - Mate. Let’s clear things up, your saying that the flagship AMD chip the Athlon 64 FX-62 Dual-Core Socket AM2 is better than any Intel chip on the Market? Is this what your right about?

View1 - I am right about AMD is better than Intel, I don't care about the FX62 its not even the best chip AMD have but its probably better than 80% of Intel's chips

View2 - What??????

What exactly is this all powerful chip AMD have that no one else has ever heard of (including AMD) that you keep talking about? Or are you not going to tell me what this chip is called? Just keep on referring to it?

What’s with the ‘I am right about AMD being better than Intel’? did you mean ‘am I right about AMD being better than Intel’? (in which case, who knows!) or did you mean the corporations morals? There company objective? The pay packets for working there? I don’t get it???

And thirdly, the FX62 being, probably, better than 80% of intels chips. Is that your argument? Is that what you don’t need to prove to me? That the Athlon FX chips are better than a lot of intel chips? In which case, well done. It just may be. But then there is Intel chips that are better than 100% of AMDs chips.

You say you don’t need to prove it because you work in IT (lol), but to have any actual chance of not looking like a complete R-tard who avoids being wrong when actually wrong, you probably should.


View1 - I don't see how you cant understand what I am saying to you.... to the point I am bored of saying it and bored of you blithering on about the same old crap that a 2.2 Intel chip is better than all AMD chips.... its laughable

View2 - Seriously, this has driving me crazy. Admit that your wrong.

View1- see previous email, still the same

View2 - Haha… That email says urrrrr… your board… im blithering… something about a 2.2 intel chip being better than all AMD chips and that its laughable. OK. I’ll keep this quick and simple for you:

What AMD chip is quicker than an E6600 overclocked to 3Ghz.

View1 - lol I like the way you add overclocked...

Standard e6600 plenty of chips the AMD Athlon X2 is 2.6 unclocked, clock it and your talking way better than you overclocked 3ghz.

overclocking is not a good thing to be doing to a CPU either it makes the chips unstable and most of the time will probably just fry them out and pushing that E6600 to 3ghz... INsanity


View2 - You did not answer my question. Therefore you are wrong and I am right. Thanks.

I’d like to refer to emails sent at the following times with regards to ‘add overclocked’ :

09 January 2007 15:43
09 January 2007 16:55
09 January 2007 17:17
09 January 2007 17:40
10 January 2007 15:06

How much do you know about processors john? Honestly, nothing. Let us refer to the below statement:

“…the AMD Athlon X2 is 2.6 unclocked…”

By this do you mean the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ or the Athlon 64 X2 5200+? Either way, your incorrect, the E6600 running as stock is an all round better CPU than the 5000+/5200+. This can be seen here in beautiful technicolor:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1996932,00.asp

Therefore, again, you are wrong and I am right.

How much do you really know about overclocking? How could you say stuff like “…pushing that E6600 to 3ghz... Insanity…” when you genuinely don’t know. Here is another link about clocking the E6600 to way above 3Ghz:

http://www.techpowerup.com/ocdb/details.php?id=256

Therefore, again, you are wrong. 3 times in one email. That’s got to be nearing the average by now eh?

Seriously, when you find the super AMD chip, let me know, I’ll call and get it put in my PC…. Idiot…. instead of spouting stuff out that I’ve spent fudging ages looking up to get the best pc, look it up, and if things have changed go with the flow. Don’t just think that because the old Athlons were the best at the beginning of last year there the best this year. “AMD Athlon X2 is 2.6 unclocked” hhahahahahaha…. Quality….

View1 - I answered your question you just don't like the answer

I think you should check the X2 again....

Overclocking is not good for a CPU you could just push it .1 higher it still makes it unstable... FACT

Again I think you need to be checking your Intel against AMD on the manufacturers website not Dave from Alabama Extremetech out of date review.

I haven't been wrong once

View2 - I answered your question you just don't like the answer
- No you didn’t, I asked What AMD chip is quicker than an E6600 overclocked to 3Ghz. You told me stock and was STILL wrong. R-tard.

I think you should check the X2 again....
- Xmen 2? Idiot.

Overclocking is not good for a CPU you could just push it .1 higher it still makes it unstable... FACT
- This isn’t fact. You can’t just say ‘fact’ because you heard something or believe something to be true. You need to back this up. If you can’t back this up you are a -complete retard and you are completely wrong…. FACT

Again I think you need to be checking your Intel against AMD on the manufacturers website not Dave from Alabama Extremetech out of date review.
- Why would I check marketing when I want to see reviews and other peoples opinions?

I haven't been wrong once
- You haven’t been right once.

View1 - I told you stock cause I don't know what the AMD chips can be overclocked to.... why cause I wouldn't overclock anything, it voids your warrenty for a reason.... its stupid

So because I didn't paste a load of websites with out of date info I am wrong?? LMAO!


View2 - Sorry, but this had to be said, you’re a complete R-tard for this. Firstly, you tried to pass 12+ month old reviews off to me! Hahaha…. Secondly, I was using the date system to show that the chips in your
reviews have since been replaced with newer better chips. ‘out of date’ review… hahaha. Yeah because www.reviews.com newest review on the ipod G1 is the best. Do you understand what im trying to say or do you want me to draw it for you to colour in with crayons?

Tell me this super chip. Just tell me the name of it. the brand, not the AMD bit. Go on. From there I can research myself… go on… that’s all you have to do to proce yourself right.

Oh Gilliland. You’re so wrong. Are you actually starting to realize it by now or are you still sure that AMD have the best? If so you are very very stupid.

See I’ve worked up this massive thing about you being so completely wrong about everything and me being right. If this wasn’t the case, if I was being this cocky and you knew for certain that I was wrong, you would have proved it by now. But you can’t. You can’t because your wrong but for some reason wont admit it. and its sweet. I will bath in this for years

The E6600 is only 2.4ghz stock. Its not even the top intel CPU. So surely overclocked to only 3.0Ghz this super AMD cpu that you have in your head can beat that? Surely?!?!? Just name it Gilliland. Tell me which CPU it is… hahahahaha you absolute tard… call yourself a IT professional. Shocking.

View1 - seriously I only read the last line. this is beyond boring how Rtarded you are that you cant read a simple email but seem to be caught up in a world of e6600 overclocking dumbness

I TOLD YOU THE X2 is BETTER STOCK THAN THE E6600 I have told you this twice now so your the Rtard for keep asking the same question when its been answered, as for model take your pick both are better

Does that compute now Chimp?

View2 - ‘told me’

PROVE IT

View1 - I will say this for the last time as well, I don't need to prove it I know its right, if you want proof read amd or lintels website.

View2 - ****, I never knew the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ was better than the Intel E6600 because you said so. Going against every single review and comparison on the net. You absolute Rtard.
Im off home.

View1 - Again Chimp.....Monkey wanna banana?? read my previous email again and don't just pick the bits out that suit you for your pathetic argument to try and call me a Rtard

View2 - The one saying read AMD or intels site?

I’d like to refer you to the links on AMDs site, which I believe to be nothing more than marketing, eitherway, here is what your reffering to:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/AMD_v_Intel_Performance_Comp_Q2-2006.pdf

http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041%5E13042,00.html

These are tests with AMDs best chip against the Pentium D. I wouldn’t have been shouting my mouth of for the past 3 days if I didn’t already realize this. You want to be looking at Athlon 64 X2 5000+’s (or higher) against the intel Core 2 Duo. Here is a list of places you can find that:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2014685,00.asp
Intel Core 2 Duo Vs. AMD X2 AM2--Top to Bottom

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1996932,00.asp
Real Gaming Challenge Rematch: Intel vs. AMD

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64_uk/
Game Over? Core 2 Duo Knocks Out Athlon 64

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/e6300-vs-sff/index.x?pg=17
Cool and cheap screamers from Intel and AMD

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795
Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back

http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=4862
AMD AM2 vs Intel Core 2 Duo

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34518
Intel Core 2 Duo, Conroe rocks, dominates in games

http://news.com.com/Intels+Core+2+Duo+lives+up+to+hype/2100-1006_3-6094356.html
Intel's Core 2 Duo lives up to hype

I can’t believe how divvy you are!!! Hahaha…

Also, ‘pathetic argument’ you have to be joking right? I’m backing up everything I say with evidence. I’m showing you why im saying it. You’re the one that has the pathetic “I don't need to prove it I know its right” just because you work in IT. What is embarrassing is you think you have to know because you work in IT. but you actually don’t know. Hahahah. You must suck at your job!!!

I have just proven that the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ is not as powerful as the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600. That is now fact. Making you not only wrong, but a complete Rtard. Now that I have done that, please tell the name of the super AMD chip (in your head) that is better than it…or do you finally agree with me?

View1 - I don't believe it..... still you persist! I didn't read any of that email

View2 – AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. This is going online mate, you want your name on it or off it?

View1 - put it where you like as if I care??

View2 - Just making sure your ok with me putting your name on it. tell you what, I wouldn’t want my name next to comments like yours. No. way. I’ll send you the links once its up.

View1 - Not interested in a link

View2 – your gonna get them anyway.

View1 was brought to you by a second line senior tech support with MCP's up the Cairo, His name is John Gillialnd.

View2 was brought to you by a Web QA who doesn't know what MCP stands for, His name is Stuart Mason.

[Wizzard1]

Hahaha I'm getting a 650i board and a 6600 and some mad air cooling in the ANtec 900 case- And then OVERCLOCKING to 400-450FSB Core is the ONLY way to fly!