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bought myself a birthday present.. but still haven't worked out what it is 
supposedly only 2.5 inches square... will find out soon enough
any info will be great appreciated 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: small IBM MCM T0504416 |
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| Neon_WA wrote: | | but still haven't worked out what it is |
By Gosh, It looks like a Processor Chip 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Don't worry Neon!
Release date plus up to one year and a
2-3 year product lifespan and it will fit
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| doccybrown wrote: | Don't worry Neon!
Release date plus up to one year and a
2-3 year product lifespan and it will fit |
It appears they changed the construction method during its production period
some appear to be made of 2 ceramic layers.. some only one
will be interesting to see what the die side looks like, as there is lack of pics of the die side
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| Neon_WA wrote: | | will be interesting to see what the die side looks like, as there is lack of pics of the die side |
Got ya can opener ready? 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Robev wrote: | | Got ya can opener ready? |
Seen to many failed attempts at removing heat-sinks.. so will take my time working out best way to separate
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Be careful when opening this beast! I failed on mine working
with a saw... 
By the way I have some doubts that this really is a Muskie,
please look here:
http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=140949#140949#
Paolo has a A25-board and this Muskies do look more ancient
and are Muskies for sure!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:42 am Post subject: |
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looking thru IBM stuff.. they often produced an upgrade processor for a lot of their systems
so I dont doubt these were made for a Muskie board.. I think they are the next generation of sorts made to upgrade the older Muskies
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That would make sense and explains the differences
of the package and cooler.
But it is somewhat unsatisfying not to know what
the cores are exactly... it could be speed enhanced
next generation Muskies or Power-CPUs with a bridge...
(Ok this probably not because AS/400-processors are more
optimized for I/O-operations than for crunching numbers).
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the problem is that most of these "upgrade" style of processors have not been officially released with any pomp & ceremony.
where I have seen mention of them are in IBM updates supplied directly to their customers
and most are limited to just saying contact your local IBM representative for additional information 
even in more modern systems.. the info on upgrade processors is very limited
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Hmmmm, I think I might have some IBM Books somewhere. I better go search them out some time soon 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| doccybrown wrote: | Be careful when opening this beast! I failed on mine working
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Do you have any die pieces?
could work out what manufacturing process was used and that might narrow it down
Cobra & Muskie >> 0.5um
Apache >> 0.5um BiCMOS
North Star >> 0.35um
Pulsar >> 0.25um
Power3 >> 0.22um
Sstar >> 0.18um
interesting side reading >> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-powerppl/
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