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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:45 am    Post subject: PayPal Cracking down on personal payments Reply with quote

Received the below from PayPal tonight, so it seems they dont like that they are not making as much $$

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Dear John Culver,


We recently changed our pricing so that all PayPal customers can receive money from friends and family within the US and CA for free. PayPal merchants receiving money as payment for a purchase, continue to incur fees.


We're not sure if you are aware of this, but we noticed that some of your customers are sending you personal payments for purchases.
Unfortunately, this violates our rules, and we need your help correcting this. Please don't ask or allow your customers to use personal payments to pay for their purchases.


If we continue to see such activity after 14 days, we may have to
disable your ability to receive personal payments, and then you will pay
fees for all money received through PayPal.


You can find more information about payment types and fees in sections
4.2 and 8 of our User Agreement - just click "Legal Agreements" at the
bottom of any PayPal page.


If you have any questions, concerns, or think we may have made a
mistake, please contact us at www.paypal.com/contactus. Thank you for
helping us resolve this matter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you need to start a new paypal account for "gifts"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you expect from the §$%&# PayPal?

- In Germany we are not allowed to send or receive any "friend" payments at all. Furthermore it takes ages to make a PP payment if you pay using your bank account.

- In Austria it is not possible to withdraw the money from your PayPal account. If you've received some money by PayPal you can't transfer it to your bank account - the only one way to get rid of your $$$ is to buy something and pay with PP!

- In Russia it's not possible to receive PayPal payments. All you can do is to send the money.

- In ............ and so on and so on .....



That's why I always try to use wire transfers for payments within Europe.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue is that by receiving payments for single auctions or grouped auctions, you are an easy target.

Have a weekly balance or monthly depending on the $$ ppl owe you, in order to avoid being an easy target on the next PP account, this one is burnt.
Or like sell recharges like cell phones, so you get a sum that you'll use for purchases/sellings. But you need really tight accounting on that.

PP is really better than IRS accountants, maybe Obama should hire them.
I believe that internal powers to check customers are illimited, to do that in a bank they'd need a few authorizations.


So yes, they are after the fees. For the rest they don't give a shit.
Or maybe if you could prove that they are paying you for something else... not ebay related. For cutting their grass?

My humble 2 cents.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qwerty wrote:
What do you expect from the §$%&# PayPal?

- In Germany we are not allowed to send or receive any "friend" payments at all. Furthermore it takes ages to make a PP payment if you pay using your bank account.

- In Austria it is not possible to withdraw the money from your PayPal account. If you've received some money by PayPal you can't transfer it to your bank account - the only one way to get rid of your $$$ is to buy something and pay with PP!

- In Russia it's not possible to receive PayPal payments. All you can do is to send the money.

- In ............ and so on and so on .....



That's why I always try to use wire transfers for payments within Europe.



Same reason for me, I changed my bank just to have unlimited wire tranfers at no charge. PP is useless to me for most people I buy from (usually they have both pp and bank and prefer bank - within EU).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheap bastards that they are, It doesnt surprise me. They want a piece of everything, regardless of how many thousands you have already made them. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about switching to another mean of payment such as Google Checkout or Moneybookers, or whatever...

I've not made a comparison, but maybe it would work better with another one ?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qwerty wrote:
What do you expect from the §$%&# PayPal?

- In Germany we are not allowed to send or receive any "friend" payments at all. Furthermore it takes ages to make a PP payment if you pay using your bank account.

- In Austria it is not possible to withdraw the money from your PayPal account. If you've received some money by PayPal you can't transfer it to your bank account - the only one way to get rid of your $$$ is to buy something and pay with PP!

- In Russia it's not possible to receive PayPal payments. All you can do is to send the money.

- In ............ and so on and so on .....



That's why I always try to use wire transfers for payments within Europe.


Maybe it's partly due to local laws as regards banking... Otherwise I don't see why paypal would have different rules in every country...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPUShack probably got flagged since he receives so many payments, in part due to AVICC. And probably some people say "personal" but then also click "purchase" ...

In any case, Paypal sucks!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChipPay should reduce it some

I am not super worried, worst case, they ban me form accepting them

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: PayPal Cracking down on personal payments Reply with quote

CPUShack wrote:
Please don't ask or allow your customers to use personal payments to pay for their purchases.

...So I guess we should send all PP personal payments as "Gifts"?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always sent as a gift

Given we are one big family, then we can argue our payments are still within paypal's terms

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:25 am    Post subject: Re: PayPal Cracking down on personal payments Reply with quote

CPUShack wrote:
Received the below from PayPal tonight, so it seems they dont like that they are not making as much $$

PayPal is still sending out similar messages. I received a phone call and an email today from PayPal saying in part...

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It is essential that your customers select the ‘Purchase’ tab when sending you PayPal payments for goods and services. Please include this in your payment instructions.

As your business uses PayPal to accept commercial payments, it’s automatically flagged in our system regardless of value when you receive a personal payment from a customer. If we continue to see this activity, we may need to disable your ability to receive personal payments through PayPal.

My problem is that for most of the revenue I earn online, I don't send invoices and don't send payment instructions.

I tried back in 2009 to explain to PayPal that I mainly just join affiliate programs, promote companies' products and when I earn money, those companies pay me.

If someone is doing something wrong, surely it's those companies - the people paying the money - not me?

Does anyone know if there's a way for me to tell which payments are personal and which aren't?
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personal payment = you do not pay fees as receiver which are have been paid by sender already.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:01 am    Post subject: Re: PayPal Cracking down on personal payments Reply with quote

AllanGardyne wrote:
Does anyone know if there's a way for me to tell which payments are personal and which aren't?

As Marcin said, you're not paying fees on those transactions, so the history PayPal page will show $0.00 fee for personal transactions.

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