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Birdman.

Joined: 13 Nov 2012 Posts: 833 Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:20 pm Post subject: My first attempts to take die shots |
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Hello all!
I found some old computer parts being thrown away at the university where I study, and they had a some EPROM and other interesting chips in them. I then found a stereo microscope at the electonics club of the university with suitable magnification for complete die shots. Unfortunately, I didn't have my 14 Mpix IXUS camera with me and I used another 10 Mpix camera. Anyway, I tested taking die shots by simply keeping the camera on one ocular of that stereo microscope and this is the result:
Intel 80287 FPU:
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Intel_80287_die2.JPG
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Intel_80287_die3.JPG
Intel D27256J-2 (256 kbit EPROM):
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Intel_D27256J-2_die.JPG
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Intel_D27256J-2_die2.JPG
ST M27C4002 (4 Mbit EPROM):
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/ST_M27C4002_die.JPG
Fujitsu MBL8742H (Intel 8742 EPROM-microcontroller in MCS-48 series):
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Fujitsu_MBL8742H_die.JPG
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Fujitsu_MBL8742H_die2.JPG
I tried to quickly fix the lens distortion caused by the windows of the EPROM chips, and the lighting is one incandescent spotlight almost from above. For some dies I added different versions with light coming from slightly different directions. I expect that this camera could capture almost all detail available in the view of that microscope. I also have decapped P54C Pentium and MIPS R4600 waiting, but unfortunately, I couldn't get any good pictures with the smaller magnification of that microscope needed for those larger dies to fit. I'll try to depack and delayer some chips in plastic and FCBGA packages later.
BTW, if you have some scratched, damaged or just too common CPUs or other chips that you don't want to keep or sell and you'd like to get die shots of them but can't take the die shots yourself, then I'd like to get those chips and take the die shots. I'd be really happy if you could help me to improve my die shot collection by sending chips for me or taking die shots yourself. I'll share high-resolution versions of all die shots I take and you can use them at CPU World site and elsewhere.
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Vlasta

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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Nice!! _________________ best rgds.
Steve |
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Birdman.

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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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I took new die shots with a bit better camera and replaced the first ones with them. I used scaled down versions in this thread but I also linked to versions with original resolution. I'll try to take more die shots later.
I hope you enjoy these. |
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Birdman.

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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: I found another microscope to take more die shots |
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I found out that the material science department at the university has one great microscope for photographing surfaces with a wide range of magnifications. Students can freely use it, so I can take photos of complete dies and really small details with high magnification or anything in between. Here are first tests with the chips I had already opened:
Intel Pentium (P54C, 600 nm):
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Intel_Pentium_P54C_die.jpg
IDT R4600 (Orion, 650 nm):
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/IDT_R4600_die.jpg
Intel 80287:
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Intel_80287_die.jpg
These are just first tests with low magnification. There are two incandescent lights with adjustable positions, so I'll experiment with different lighting later. I'll also look at smaller details later and may even try stitching some high-res die shots.
I found out that I can use a great microscope at the university and take die shots easily. Thus, the challenge is now to get more dies that I can put under that microscope. I'll try to depack and delayer some plastic and FCBGA packages so that I can take more die shots.
I've also uploaded my die shots to Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/97377381@N03/sets/72157634094135040/, so you can easily find them all there.
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Vlasta

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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Wow these are so cool.
I tried some macro shots with my DSLR and some macro extension tubes to get a good magnification. I got the dies into nice focus and then hit the shoot button. The result is blurred.... could it be that the act of even pressing the button is shaking the camera and de-focusing it? I even tried it on a timer so maybe even the shutter/mirror moving is shaking the camera? Frustrated... I have so many nice dies to take shots of and no way of achieving it without buying a microscope that costs like $500 or more. _________________ best rgds.
Steve |
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Birdman.

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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:44 am Post subject: |
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At least all DSLR macro setups I've seen with extension tubes and high magnifications for die shots have the camera firmly attached directly above the die. Maybe taking die shots with DSLR isn't even possible at all without the camera firmly attached because the high magnification also magnifies all the camera movements. Of course, adding a lot more light onto the die should also help.
Or have you tried keeping the camera on a table and using some holder to keep the wafer in exactly right angle in front of the camera? Maybe that setup could work as well and be easier to make, but getting the right angle for wafer may be a bit difficult. Anyway, looks like you're really close to getting high-quality die shots, so just keep trying with the camera attached better.
I forgot to mention in my previous post that I once again updated the first die shots because a better camera captured quite a lot more detail through the stereo microscope and gave me better image quality. |
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Birdman.

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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: More die shots with higher resolution |
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I took some new die shots still with the stereo microscope of the material science department, but this time using my 14 Mpix IXUS on one eyepiece instead of the 5 Mpix camera built into the microscope. This was not so easy because I had to keep the camera in exactly the right spot to get even lighting and focus, but in the end it gave me more resolution and revealed new details more than I expected.
I replaced the three previous die shots with the new higher resolution versions, and here are die shots of a couple other CPUs I got after taking the previous die shots:
AMD Am486 DX4 (Enhanced version with 8 KiB write-back cache, 500 nm):
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/AMD_80486DX4_die.JPG
DEC Alpha 21164 (EV5, 500 nm):
Original resolution: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Alpha_EV5_die.JPG
I hope you enjoy these die shots with more detail visible than before. I really hope that I could somehow get some more chips so that I can continue taking these kind of die shots. Thus, please let me know if you have some damaged or just unnecessary chips and would like to see die shots of them.
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Vlasta

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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Wow - can you post the make and model number of the 'scope? _________________ best rgds.
Steve |
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Birdman.

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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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The scope is some pretty large surface light stereo microscope made by Leica, but I don't know the exact model yet. I've just been too busy taking die shots with it so that I haven't had the time to look at the scope. The Leica DFC420 in the EXIF data of the first die shots is just the camera in the microscope, but I didn't use it anymore for the new die shots because my IXUS gives better resolution. I'll let you know the exact model when I remember to check it.
Anyway, the scope seems to work great when taking die shots. It has continuous range of magnifications so that even the largest dies fit into the view and I can zoom all the way to fill the view with small dies like that 80287. Then there is also another objective that should give a lot higher magnifications, but I haven't tested looking at the details with it yet. There are two incandescent lights with adjustable positions and I have adjusted them to give oblique light from two sides (only one light used for Alpha die shot). |
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Birdman.

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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| johnorun wrote: | Wow- Your die pics have the best resolution I've seen so far.  |
Actually, you can find some die shots with higher resolution in my die shot collection thread, for exapmle Intel 80486DX (P4), Pentium (P5) and Pentium PRO (P6). Also many die shots have many images stitched together and most of them have higher resolution, for example the very large MIPS R10000 die and the die shots at visual6502.org and zeptobars.ru.
Anyway, there seems to be only a few non-stitched die shots with more detail than I can get with the microscope I can use. I just wish I had more lidded chips that I can easily open and take these high-res die pics with single shot. I also wish I found a way to depack flip-chip and plastic packages and etch away metal layers so that I could prepare more chips for die photography and take die shots of chips like Athlon XP and PowerPC G4 that I haven't seen anywhere. |
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