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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: CPU Hot or Not? Reply with quote

alright ill be honest with you guys i dont know very much about cpu's so i came here to ask this. is this running too hot? i have an AMD Athlon 64 3500+, starting at around2200 mhz and overclocking to 2400 mhz. now heres a screen of my temperatures from "Speed Fan"

i have read that amd athlon 64 cpu's can withstand temperatures up to 65 degrees. which one of these temperatures is my main cpu temperature? i see the temp's 1 and 2 are in the 40's so i am motivated to give it a little bit more, but i see that the remote temperature is 60, which is hot, almost burning if its the cpu. any help?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first glance I would say the "remote" temp* is the cpu temp. If that is the case Id say you are at the maximum with the cooling you have in place. If you increase the cooling and that temp falls then try upping your cpu.

Take a look inside your case, is there a temp probe attached to the motherboard header marked "remote"?. While you are looking it might be a good idea to check all the cooling fans are running!



* I have always believed the hotest components in a pc was the cpu. Am I right?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not always, my video card runs hotter under load. then again my video card is overclocked with a stock cooler, and my cpu has an $80 block of copper on it Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes I accept gpu's are running at insanse speeds now, but my original belief remains, the component generating the most heat is the cpu. The fact you have 100Kg of water/beer/other cooled copper on you cpu making it run at -20 degrees is besides the point. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, without cooling, i think gpus might still get hotter. they may only run at 500mhz or so but theyve got way more transistors (304 million for an nvidia 7800gtx, vs 233 million for an athlon 64 fx 60..)

course, presler apparently has 376 million, but the fx60 and presler are both much smaller processes.. i think the 7800gtx is still 130nm, so it runs a lot hotter
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: CPU Hot or Not? Reply with quote

Dark wrote:
which one of these temperatures is my main cpu temperature?

From FAQ posted on SpeedFan site:

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How can I identify my CPU temperature?
To find your CPU's temperature sensor you can leave your system idle for a few minutes, to let temperatures drop, and then go to 100% usage for a while. The temperature that rises faster is the one you're searching for. Other available temperature readings usually come from your sensor chip itself, from the southbridge, the voltage regulator, or even from an additional probe placed under the processor. This additional temperature sensor is not necessarily a duplicate. Some CPUs are not actually able to report the internal temperature from their die. To be able to read their temperatures, an additional external sensor (thermocouple) is used. In such cases, you will see two temperatures referring to the processor. The higher of the two is from the die. As a final note, please remember that not all available temperature sensors are actually connected to something. If you happen to read unusually high or low temps, they are likely to be from a disconnected (unused) temperature sensor.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxiumum CPU temperature for AMD 64's is 55C, I believe. The Pentium 4 prescott can withstand 65C underload, while remaining functional. A lot of people were able to overclock their chips to 2.6GHz, and all the way up to 3.0GHz (with a fast core like the Venice, Dan Diego, and certain steppings like E6 etc).

If I'm not mistaken, the 3500+ socket 754 is the clawhammer core. Socket 754 is not highly overclockable in itself, let alone the core's capabilities. But some people have had good luck with 'em. Play around with the settings, eventually you'll get some more juice out of it. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An easy way to find out the maximum temperature your processor can support without burning out is referring to the table given at http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm. This table shows that Pentium 4 processors can operate up to 75º C (167º F) or slightly less, depending on the model, Athlon 64 can run up to 65º C or 70º C (149º F or 158º F), depending on the model, Athlon XP processors can run up to 85º C or 90º C (185º F or 194º F), also depending on their clock, and Sempron processors can run up to 90º C (194º F).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that was me ^^^
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alright i have pretty much made the conclusion that the remote temp is my main cpu temp.

i booted up my computer just at the stock cpu speed (2200 MHz) and let it idle for 10 minutes.
here is the screenshot:

alright i shut down the computer and waited a while, maybe 15 minutes. I booted it up and overclocked it to around 2419 MHz. Waited 15 minutes again to idle and took this screenshot:

oh yes i played battlefield 2 for ten minutes and in that time it only increased the temperature 1 or 2 degrees. as of now the remote temperature is 58 degrees, so ill be turning it down to like 2300 anyways.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugh me again^^^
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nvm found it in the BIOS lmao
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that prescott processors could go at a higher temperature when running for example spain@home or seti@home. Look at mine:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow i went from 2210 to 2470MHz and im still at 55. not bad
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