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stuntman



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:13 am    Post subject: Raw CPU power...help ! Reply with quote

Hello to you all once again !
This may seem kinda odd but i want to be build configuration limited by
this spec :

1. WinXp as running OS
2. Single core CPU 32bit

Let me expain bit more. I'am using program (can't tell which) that was out
in 2001. System requirements allowed it to run on 98SE/NT/XP. As it took
years to complete it, i belive it was written to work on win98. Program was
tested and is working on XP and W7. Running on modern multi core/HT and
all other cpus it is using only one core.I am almost certain it does not fully
use 64 bit cpus because of release date.

This program uses CPU 100% until calculation is done. Taske manager in
performace monitr shows straigt line of 100% CPU usage all the time.
Memory is not important, it's using +/- 10Mb. Could be run or 128Mb RAM
to 2Gb, I didn't notice any change.

This is what I tested :
Pentium M765 (400Mhz FSB ) on 852GM + 2Gb DDR1 : time 750seconds
1.4S Tualatin (133Mhz FSB) on VIA133A+1,5Gb PC13: time 1480sec
Some 2700 AMD (800Mhz fsb) AM2 socket i guess.....: time 668 seconds

I didn't measure the time, program has bulit in clock that tells you how
long it's running.It starts when you click start and ends when all results
are fnished. All automated. I assume CPU cache doesn't play any role in
lenght of calculations.

Last serious calculation i run was approx 50hours long. My laptop with
M765 inside after 50h was like oven.

So, my question is this : what cpu and board would you recomend for
such job? From what I saw, memory bandwith doesn't matter nor does
CPU cache..? Reading last few days about P4 CPUs all I can say is that
Northwood with 800FSB at 3,4Ghz is about the same as Prescott at
3,8Ghz. Is it due to longer pipeline? Assuming thats true are they any
or non faster than my current M765 at 2,13Ghz? As Pentium M has even
shorter pipelines/it's true P6 bla bla....I'm sure Gallatin 3,4Ghz EE would
be faster than my cpu, but how much? 5%?30%? This thoughts aside,
I'd like to hear other opinions.

Thank you !
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You say that you want to run a single-threaded 32 bit app as fast as possible? Well, I don't see a limitation that would prevent you from running the fastest possible chip out there and running Win XP 32bit on it. You could technically run an i7-3970x and run Win XP on it, and even though your app is single threaded, it would run screamingly fast. Are you wanting to build a system from scratch or upgrade an existing system? You left out a lot of details for your request.
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stuntman



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mavroxur wrote:
You say that you want to run a single-threaded 32 bit app as fast as possible? Well, I don't see a limitation that would prevent you from running the fastest possible chip out there and running Win XP 32bit on it. You could technically run an i7-3970x and run Win XP on it, and even though your app is single threaded, it would run screamingly fast. Are you wanting to build a system from scratch or upgrade an existing system? You left out a lot of details for your request.




I noticed 64bit cpus are not even on 50% load when running. That was the case with that AMD. Every sngle 32bit CPU was max at 100%. What's the point in running a i7 core then ? If i had money id bulid myself a mainframe.
Point is not to spend thousand of $$$ just to test. Id build something based
ond P4 ? Thats why i asked for advice. Can't really see what i left out, but
i can't see any relevant solution in your answer...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of All u dont tell uS THE PROGRAM U USE.
its a military secret Software? Razz

I think u try to compare some old 32 bit cpus with some heavy bench tool ?
this is your point? or what?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kosmokrator wrote:
First of All u dont tell uS THE PROGRAM U USE.
its a military secret Software? Razz

I think u try to compare some old 32 bit cpus with some heavy bench tool ?
this is your point? or what?



not military but not far away...as i said before im sure it uses cpu math
power, not cache not memory bandwith.. if ou are running one calculation
then its not a problem to wait for 6hours. but when you add multiple limits,
and it tries to optmise ur results it createx matrix. that matrix is proportional
to the size and step of boundy conditions you set. so if you set "x" to be in
range from 1 to 5 and "y" in range from 1 to 5 then you have 25 calculations.
Now 25 calculations and 6 hours each..you do the math... I'm looking for
some cheap system that could speed up the process. And once again,
i dont think there are any benefint in using 64bit cpus. So we're downt
to P4.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fastest Intel whatever CPU, 4960X(?) remains the fastest, even on single threaded workload. It will surely reach the maximum if your program takes the advantage of more than one thread. Otherwise you'll reach a maximum of 8,3% CPU load with that program if you use this 4960X CPU (6 Cores + 12 Threads). This is still much faster (and efficient Laughing) than a P4 that has a workload of 100% especially if you compare the both processor architectures (Ivy Bridge vs NetBurst). It bet that even a Core 2 Duo can easily outperform any P4 while it reaches 50% total workload, (@1 core 100% load running that program)

Or did I misunderstood you or explained it bad?? Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HARDWARECOP wrote:
The fastest Intel whatever CPU, 4960X(?) remains the fastest, even on single threaded workload. It will surely reach the maximum if your program takes the advantage of more than one thread. Otherwise you'll reach a maximum of 8,3% CPU load with that program if you use this 4960X CPU (6 Cores + 12 Threads). This is still much faster (and efficient Laughing) than a P4 that has a workload of 100% especially if you compare the both processor architectures (Ivy Bridge vs NetBurst). It bet that even a Core 2 Duo can easily outperform any P4 while it reaches 50% total workload, (@1 core 100% load running that program)

Or did I misunderstood you or explained it bad?? Laughing


i Agree with HARDWARECOP .....
Also If u share the proggie ,,,, we can experiment and send u feedback with moltiple system configurations..... with no need to spend $$$$ Smile

Sounds to me like a Classic Matrix Solve Patters Mathematic program
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stuntman wrote:
And once again,
i dont think there are any benefint in using 64bit cpus. So we're downt
to P4.

AMD64/Intel 64 technology is not the only improvement in the Core 2 and newer processors. You also get much better IPC (instructions per clock) and more memory bandwidth than Pentium 4s, so you'll get much faster performance in single threaded applications. Even if you take inexpensive Pentium, you may get 2x - 3x performance of the Pentium 4 660:

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/287/Intel_Pentium_4_660_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html

Gennadiy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HARDWARECOP wrote:
The fastest Intel whatever CPU, 4960X(?) remains the fastest, even on single threaded workload. It will surely reach the maximum if your program takes the advantage of more than one thread. Otherwise you'll reach a maximum of 8,3% CPU load with that program if you use this 4960X CPU (6 Cores + 12 Threads). This is still much faster (and efficient Laughing) than a P4 that has a workload of 100% especially if you compare the both processor architectures (Ivy Bridge vs NetBurst). It bet that even a Core 2 Duo can easily outperform any P4 while it reaches 50% total workload, (@1 core 100% load running that program)

Or did I misunderstood you or explained it bad?? Laughing


It is single thread program.So it's down to 8,3% od CPU usage on 4960X
cpu.How can you tell if Core duo will beat P4? Fastest one is 2,33/2m/667.
Hey, isnt that my 2,1/2m/400 Pentium m ? Now, i bet that 4960 is extra
fast but it's also way over my budget..I'm not planning to sell my kidney
just to buy new computer
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gshv wrote:
stuntman wrote:
And once again,
i dont think there are any benefint in using 64bit cpus. So we're downt
to P4.

AMD64/Intel 64 technology is not the only improvement in the Core 2 and newer processors. You also get much better IPC (instructions per clock) and more memory bandwidth than Pentium 4s, so you'll get much faster performance in single threaded applications. Even if you take inexpensive Pentium, you may get 2x - 3x performance of the Pentium 4 660:

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/287/Intel_Pentium_4_660_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html

Gennadiy




Nice comparison, that's something i was looking for...Need more stuff like that..
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kosmokrator wrote:
HARDWARECOP wrote:
The fastest Intel whatever CPU, 4960X(?) remains the fastest, even on single threaded workload. It will surely reach the maximum if your program takes the advantage of more than one thread. Otherwise you'll reach a maximum of 8,3% CPU load with that program if you use this 4960X CPU (6 Cores + 12 Threads). This is still much faster (and efficient Laughing) than a P4 that has a workload of 100% especially if you compare the both processor architectures (Ivy Bridge vs NetBurst). It bet that even a Core 2 Duo can easily outperform any P4 while it reaches 50% total workload, (@1 core 100% load running that program)

Or did I misunderstood you or explained it bad?? Laughing


i Agree with HARDWARECOP .....
Also If u share the proggie ,,,, we can experiment and send u feedback with moltiple system configurations..... with no need to spend $$$$ Smile

Sounds to me like a Classic Matrix Solve Patters Mathematic program



I think it's using MSC Adams engine for something, not sure what but
Adams is there Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe i solved it. Comparing SuperPi 1M scores i figured
out core2duo as best option. It is 64bit but it's something
affordable.
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