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kosmokrator
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 Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:22 pm Post subject: White Vintage Intels what is? |
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Ok ..... This little whites must be some ram Chips right?....
My question is ... this chips is Compatible with C4002 ram pinout or not ???
chip info
1449 1112
Sspec : S1092
Any ideas?? |
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Neon_WA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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both cpu-galaxy & cpu-zone have them listed as HP House number for C2102
Edit.. These have been noted as HP parts in a lot of forum threads.. but thinking on it.. extremely unlikely to be a HP house number ..
I would expect them to start with 182x xxxx
Double edit.. 1449-xxxx are Lockheed Martin part numbers
still cant confirm they are 2102s but Operating Temp Range is +0.0/+70.0 deg celsius
So Lockheed like HP House number are independent of manufacturer
Here is some AMD made 1449-1112
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121167797715
another edit
This guy has a board with D package 1449-1112 plus other part numbers (including NS MM2102AJ 14491112)
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/Burroughs_RAM_1449-1112or2102.jpg
He has it listed as Burroughs but I think there was some confusion as the B1800 series Burroughs had similar marked part numbers
On side note all his other Burroughs boards are marked with Burroughs logo.. this one is not
but checking each of the part numbers on the board, each come back as Lockheed Martin part numbers
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kosmokrator
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:50 am Post subject: |
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The board have nothing to do with burrougs or lockheed martin
Anyway thanx neon i post a whole pic later |
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CPUShack
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kosmokrator
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| CPUShack wrote: | | The part numbers are a Lockheed part number though,, regardless of who made the board |
Ok .... lets say its Lockheed part number .....my still unaswered question is: Is C2102 pinout compatible with intel 4002 ram chips??
Im ask this because ...i see the same board loaded with some P4002 chips instead of this in my photo |
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Neon_WA
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| kosmokrator wrote: | | my still unaswered question is: Is C2102 pinout compatible with intel 4002 ram chips?? |
Doesn't look like it by the pinout of both
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kosmokrator
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed Not compatible.....Thanx Neon 
So ,,,, i take a picture of the back of pcb!
I think wiring fits more with C2102 .. i see this Vcc And ground in 2-3 chips on this side fits 2102 schematic (or is just me? )
What u think???
here is a hires of Pcb Back chips facing as the chip diagram
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CPUShack
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kosmokrator
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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So this .. chips is Nothing to do with 2102 ,,, and is some clone of 4002(?) ...Or just pluged for display purpose to looking cool the Pcb???
im try to understand :/ .....
Also the other board i see on Bay lately . have onboard 2 speed variations of 4002-1 -2 mixed together...is this normal usual??
EDIT Maybe im gona safrifice one to open it and see what is inside!
Maybe i find an other later for replace in the board ,,, |
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kosmokrator
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Stay tuned..... tomorrow morning i Open one to finally solve the mystery.... (Hope
But to give u some info of the board Manufacturer before i open some chip ,,,, look the photo can we find more info about? |
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Robev
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm Fluke, as I recall you can find 4004 Chips in some Fluke Multimeters so likely they are 4002 Chips
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kosmokrator
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Actualy the board Loaded with 4040 cpu ..... |
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kosmokrator
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Ok ..... finally ...we know the truth.
i open one chip(with bad prints) ...and inside chip die is a marked Intel Copyright '74 2102A whih my poor microscope
So this chips is 2102 rams! ..And propably mounted later for display purposes.Also the date codes on all chip board is '80- '84 ... this chips made in '76...
Anyway better than empty slots....I Post a whole pic of PCB when is ready
for display ...with some other Nice Board too.
thanx all for your Helping |
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hugo929
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:31 am Post subject: |
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mike, so you get the same board with mine.
you are inspired by my photos then you find the fluke board with 4040? 
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