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JAC
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| JAC wrote: | hmmm... words just cannot describe how I am feeling about this..........
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skold
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hahahaha
RARE! QTY 500
so rare, he only has 500 left. act now! |
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JAC
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| if you look at his feedback he has sold quite a few of these boxes for $149.99 .. I cant believe it. Do peopel collect resistors???? |
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gmanbc
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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I can't expain the resisters but the reason that the one auction is at almost $2,000 is not because of the C4004... Those grey C4003s will put both of the guys bidding one chip away from a complete grey MCS-4 set which is the true Holy Grail of vintage chip collecting, or so I have been told 
I have been told by some reliable sources that only one complete grey set exists...
Now, I wonder who could have it 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| JAC wrote: | | if you look at his feedback he has sold quite a few of these boxes for $149.99 .. I cant believe it. Do peopel collect resistors???? |
But they are not for collection, there are for use !
| gmanbc wrote: | | I can't expain the resisters. |
I could explain.
There is a huge difference between normal and mil-spec resistors.
Normal resistors change their ohmic resistance with changing environmental temperature.
For example the 1.0 KOhm non-mil-spec resistor could have 0.5 KOhm ohmic resistance at -20C and 2.5 KOhm (5x more !!!) at 100C.
This will affect the function of the device these resistors are in.
The mil-spec resistors have almost the same ohmic resistance at all temperatures within their operating range!
IMHO is $0.30 the reasonable price for a mil-spec resistor. Someone who repairs old electronic devices will need more than 500 pieces.
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JAC
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I must disagree, if the temperature stability is so important then why throw it all away with 10% tolerance. It doesnt make any sense. Modern resistors are way better! I might know what I am talking about  Repairing old equipment does not need old crappy components.
Re the grey super holy grail of chip collecting.. hmmmmmmmmmmm.... too many unknowns.. re: how many exist, does it work, is it genuine, etc.. I am sure there are many willing to pay stupid money for them, I hope it brings them happiness It is expensive because people think it must be so.  |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| JAC wrote: | | It is expensive because people think it must be so. |
That's the point. Try getting an U80601 or even better U80701 
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gmanbc
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| JAC wrote: | | Re the grey super holy grail of chip collecting.. hmmmmmmmmmmm.... too many unknowns.. re: how many exist, does it work, is it genuine, etc.. I am sure there are many willing to pay stupid money for them, I hope it brings them happiness It is expensive because people think it must be so. |
You can say that with anything! Look at a diamond. They are so over valued and yet we gladly pay thousand of dollars for a little bitty stone that we can't even tell is real. Is Rolex really worth the money? Are Pepsi and Coke better than the no name brand of soda? Value is based off what the public views it to be.
A few months ago a stamp sold for over a million dollars because there were only three or four known. What happens if someone finds a footlocker full of these stamps? The unknown is part of the risk of collecting anything. And how does someone buying an old stamp or coin know what they are buying is legitimate? For a million dollars you don't think some of these rich guys got some roughed up looking fakes. At least with a chip you can put it in a machine and test it.
Lastly, to buy something of historical significance, where there are only a few known examples is not spending stupid money. Look around; there are dozens of websites of people collecting these old chips. Heck, you posted your comments on a growing forum dedicated to this hobby. People value history and you would be a fool to think that microchips which have continue to go up in value over the last few years are any different then stamps for future collectors.
I hope I don't sound upset  because I aint. I just wanted to voice my opinion, especially since I spent over $1,000 on a C4003 not so long ago...
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JAC
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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I dont expect these chips to last any significant length of time. Oxides build up, static, even cosmic rays...
So eventually the ' you can put a chip in a board to test it' argument wears thin. In any event, I wouldnt test a chip I just spent several thousand dollars on - the risk of damage from the testing equipment alone is not worth the risk. |
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JAC
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Also, about collecting, people collect all kinds of shit. You just have to go to the midwest of america and see the largest ball of twine, or that ball of barbed wire. I never made it, but I managed to see CarHenge.. a laugh, but out in the middle of nowhere!
I guess it all boils down to the motive behind collecting. I collect cpus because I think they are cool. I dont collect them to make money. If they are worth anything at some point in the future then that is a bonus, but its not the driving force. |
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wepwawet
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Hmmm,
to me Lee's arguments sound better.
As long as my chips are not destroyed by cosmic rays I love to see them driving an old computer. And testing chips is fun.
Wasn't it that what you preferred (in comparison to money), Jac? Collecting is fun?
I totally agree, I am sure Lee too.
Just everybody enjoys his own version. |
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wepwawet
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btw, "those two guys" should contact each other and find an agreement. As I saw the last two bids I decided to leave this auction. $1000 is a lot of money, I was willing to spend some more but that?!?
Wow, crazy.
But I will be very envious at the end:-)
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And of course, the loser gets the last laugh when the same chips come up again with nobody to raise the bid so high against them...
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| fRaSsL wrote: | | That's the point. Try getting an U80601 or even better U80701 |
some years ago I had the chance to get a Robotron EC 1835 (containing an U80601 CPU and an FPU) at a flea market for about €10. My car was too far away to carry it there... Too bad I didn't know about the rarity of its CPU then  
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