Cyrix or motherboard issue ?

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alexino2



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject: Cyrix or motherboard issue ? Reply with quote

Hello,

I just tested my 486 Cyrix on a 4DPS motherboard and was surprised by 2 of them :


and


The DX2-66 works only at 2x25Mhz, while 3 others brothers work at 2x33Mhz

The DX2-80 works only at 2x25Mhz and 2x33Mhz, while his brother (with no Heatsink) work at 2x40Mhz

All the rest of my cyrix work fine at their frenquecies on same motheboard.

So, Is it possible that my motherboard doesn't like them or they are fake ?



Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either are possible, but the other reason is simply that they are old and wearing out. These chips, due to their age and process size are all undergoing dielectric breakdown to some degree. It will effect some more than others due to how hot these chips ran, and for how many hours during their service life, as well as the purity of the chemicals they were produced with (which will vary between fabs, chemical sources and individual chips). So this is why some chips may be wearing out faster than your others.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you're overclocking or over volting, it's pretty hard to degrade a CPU.
They almost never go bad naturally.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the late 90s we frequently had to underclock Cyrix 6x86s which could no longer operate at their marked speed - even when they were only a year or so old. Intel CPUs of that period didn't seem to suffer that problem, and I can't comment on the nature and reliability of Cyrix 486s, but I've seen CPUs much younger than these go bad naturally.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it seems that the Cyrix's were overclocked and/or overvolted from the factory? Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for answer, it's a pretty strange and interesting story !

I didn't know that a cpu could degrade with time, like a CD lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which voltage did you use for them? Both are 5V pieces.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misace wrote:
Which voltage did you use for them? Both are 5V pieces.


I think it was 3.3V, you are sure about 5V? Should work at lower no ? I want to be sure before burning them lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cx486DX2-v66GP has 3,3-4V
Cx486DX2-66GP has 5V

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_Cx486

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misace wrote:
Cx486DX2-v66GP has 3,3-4V
Cx486DX2-66GP has 5V

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_Cx486


I still don't know why i collect Cyrix lol, they are so messy with all their writing.

This dx2-66 should only work at 5V then :
http://spirikay.free.fr/cpu/cyrix/486/30C1_486DX2_66.JPG

But it works fine at 3.3V...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexino2 wrote:
misace wrote:
Cx486DX2-v66GP has 3,3-4V
Cx486DX2-66GP has 5V

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_Cx486


I still don't know why i collect Cyrix lol, they are so messy with all their writing.

This dx2-66 should only work at 5V then :
http://spirikay.free.fr/cpu/cyrix/486/30C1_486DX2_66.JPG

But it works fine at 3.3V...


There have almost always been CPUs that can be under-volted. That would be quite a huge under-volt though, so if the info above is correct, you got lucky Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Debs, i confirm, I tested them at 5V, they work fine.

I understand now why lower voltage Cyrix indicate 3.45V and V66

I'm new here, hope you won't blame me :p
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knew they weren't bad. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexino2 wrote:
I'm new here, hope you won't blame me :p


I'm sure most of us still have something to learn Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

debs3759 wrote:
alexino2 wrote:
I'm new here, hope you won't blame me :p


I'm sure most of us still have something to learn Smile


If we don't we're not trying hard enough Smile

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