Very early FC-PGA S370 Celeron ?

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xsecret



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject: Very early FC-PGA S370 Celeron ? Reply with quote

I recently found this very strange Celeron ES.

Never saw this marking (white "Celeron"). It's also very early: April 99 while the common FCPGA Celeron ES are dated Nov/Dec 99 (for a March 2000 launch). Even the Socket 370 Pentium III has been announced in October 99.

The die is too small to be 0.25µm but doesn't look like a Coppermine. There is no caps on back. Maybe a Thermal Sample ? But I don't know why they marked it as "Celeron". Or some early pre-Timna attempt ?

It's a total mystery for me. Any guess?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Measure die size, looks like Coppermine die rotated 90 degrees to me. Maybe it's just Coppermine in different early package.
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H3nrik V!



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!

Funny, by the way, that the 533MHz ES doesn't have 533"A"MHz Smile

Edit: Or is that just the way it is in the part number?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the Intel Confidential sample is made on the 17th week of 1999 Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Intel Confidential Celeron. Looks really coool.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, do you test the Intel Confidential cpu?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a really interesting one. Shocked

I've got a Pentium III sample that looks similar to this. QF06ES manufactured Week 08, 2000. So Intel was playing around with this odd Socket 370 layout for quite a while.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently, this is a new Q-spec, you should post it in the thread for new S-Specs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a RB80526PY000000 this is most likelya thermal/mech sample, quite nice
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting. The traces on substrate are almost the same than on mine but yours has been built ~one year later.

The SKU helps a lot : we're now almost sure it's some kind of dummy sample. Probably a thermal sample.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I looked at these I noticed something. They seem to match the look of the FC-PGA2 package, but without the heat spreader. They have the smoother finish and lack the grid of little squares on top. Does anyone have a photo of an FC-PGA2 with the heatspreader removed? I wonder which direction the die is aligned underneath?

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