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The error message about the fan is because the chipset fan has been replaced by a passive heat sink (blue Zalman - see pics in previous post). The message can be disabled in BIOS. |
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crazybubba64
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| Marcin wrote: | | FYI I have counted 9 capacitors that needs to be replaced. |
In my experience, it is best to do a complete board recap of any larger capacitor (~1000uF or larger, or any high voltage caps) when you have this many failures. Not all caps fail in a visible way.
At least it isn't something crazy overbuilt like a GA-8KNXP ULTRA (I had to replace sixty capacitors on that...)
Re-capping the board (especially if you do a good job at it and have nice clean solder joints) just might add enough value that someone may consider your asking price. No promises though 
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In my country if someone will write that he changed caps then value of board drops. Sometimes better to put a silence on change of a few ones. If you make 60 new caps then propably all caps will be much more valuable than whole board (depends on model) and I do not count hours of your work.
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| Marcin wrote: | | In my country if someone will write that he changed caps then value of board drops. Sometimes better to put a silence on change of a few ones. If you make 60 new caps then propably all caps will be much more valuable than whole board (depends on model) and I do not count hours of your work. |
I think it depends on the board, and I guess the buyer as well.
In my personal viewpoint, all of the boards from the early to mid 2000s are on a countdown to most of the caps failing. I would consider a re-capped board (if done cleanly, ie flux is cleaned up, solder joints look nice, high quality caps used that don't ruin the original look of the board) to be more valuable than a defective board. The buyer doesn't need to do the work on their end (unless they enjoy doing it I suppose). Lots of people are entering the vintage computer scene, and the stuff from the P4 era / early Athlon 64 era is starting to creep into the collectors world.
The 8KNXP Ultra is a special case, as many consider it to be one of the best PGA478 boards ever made, so the effort in keeping it running happily is definitely worth it. (I have seen these boards sell for ~$200)
But again, I cannot speak for everyone. Having original good caps is always preferred, but pretty unrealistic for most parts from the era that are to be found nowadays.
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You said about caps that not ruin overall look of the board. New caps have smaller dimensions than old ones. How do you bypass that ? Mounting with higher voltage ?
I fully agree with you but IMHO 99% of mid-era boards (2001-2006) are not worth that hassle except that if you are doing it for yourself 
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| Marcin wrote: | You said about caps that not ruin overall look of the board. New caps have smaller dimensions than old ones. How do you bypass that ? Mounting with higher voltage ?
I fully agree with you but IMHO 99% of mid-era boards (2001-2006) are not worth that hassle except that if you are doing it for yourself |
I have not had any size issues with replacement caps. Maybe I'm just lucky, but the boards I've worked on have had modern replacements available with the same sizes. Otherwise going with a larger voltage cap is a way to keep the aesthetic.
The majority of boards are not worth saving, this is true. The old enthusiast boards however, (LanParty, high-end asus/gigabyte, ABIT, etc) are absolutely worth repairing, as the prices have been getting much steeper on those.
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I often salvage quality caps from boards not worth a repair, test them and use as replacements for failed caps of the same generation. If the soldering job has been done professionally, no one will ever notice.
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Actually, I agree on this one. Some capacitors are bulged...
I have no idea what I can ask for this board then, given this new info. |
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So what happened with the sale?
I read the full post and my first thought was that I could not beleive the price. FX-60, I bought for around $30 several years ago. The Opteron 185 is the same as the FX-60, but is more valueable to rarity. The FX-60 chip bloats about being unlocked. But the odd thing for me is that running it at 1.6 GHz vs. 2.8 GHz showed no performance improvement. While the BIOS boot screen shows 2.8 GHz, Windows, CPU-Z, etc showed 2.60 GHz still. Why did increasing the multiplier not actually work on my AsRock board? On the other hand, if I boot at 3.0 GHz, Windows reports 3 GHz, but it is not stable. This conundrum reduces the value of the FX-60.
The only way I could successfully run the FX-60 at 2.8 GHz was to increase the FSB to 215 MHz and run the PCI/PCI-E buses async. I'm not sure if this comes with any performance or stability hits, that is, PCI-E async mode.
In short, the 13x multiplier didn't work for me, which would allow everything to run synchronously at 2800 MHz. 15x works at 3GHz in Windows, but CPU not stable. Basically, the Opteron 185 could function the same as the FX-60 in this regard because unlocked multiplier may not work well in your system. |
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