AMD Mobile CPU ENG SAMPLE - Caspian and Champlain

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:55 am    Post subject: AMD Mobile CPU ENG SAMPLE - Caspian and Champlain Reply with quote

OK, I tested the mobile processors from Daniel1984 sale http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=271383#271383, using two different notebooks - S1g4 for the Champlain processors, and S1g3 for the Caspian processors.
The good news:
Measured CPUID, core revision, cache sizes, TDP, instruction set support, operating frequencies, and voltages

The bad news:
- Neither BIOS identifies the product name. Therefore, I try to derive the product name from the attributes measured above. In some cases, this does not resolve all ambiguity - explained further below.
- 2 of the CPUs were not functional

Product Names Incorrect.
The system BIOS queries the CPUID registers of the CPU to construct the product name. For ES processors, the query typically returns values that are constructed as "AMD Engineering Sample" - with no other information about the product name. Software then queries the BIOS to get the product name, but many of these software invariably display an incorrect name. For example, CPU-World CWID program reports ALL of the ES dual-core as, "AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-Core Mobile M600". Other software - CPU-Z, HWiNFO, CoreTemp - produce similar incorrect product names. AMD Overdrive reports only, "AMD Engineering Sample".

The tables list the single and dual core products for Caspian and Champlain, respectively. Parts highlighted in green are successfully tested ES. Parts highlighted in yellow are non-functional ES.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMD used different criteria to define the product name for each core type, so let's discuss this next.

Caspian product naming tree.
A. 1 core = Sempron Mobile M100 series
B. 2 cores + 1 MB L2 cache + 1600 MHz HT = Athlon II Dual-Core Mobile M300 series
C. 2 cores + 1 MB L2 cache + 1800 MHz HT = Turion II Dual-Core Mobile M500 series
D. 2 cores + 2 MB L2 cache = Turion II Ultra Dual-Core Mobile M600 series

Champlain product naming tree.
E. 1 core = V Series V100 series, except there is one part Sempron Mobile N120 that has identical specification to V120.
F. 2 cores + 1 MB L2 cache + 35 W TDP = Athlon II Dual-Core Mobile N300 series
G. 2 cores + 1 MB L2 cache + 25 W TDP = Athlon II Dual-Core Mobile P300 series
H. 2 cores + 2 MB L2 cache + less than 2.8 GHz + 35 W TDP = Turion II Dual-Core Mobile N500 series
I. 2 cores + 2 MB L2 cache + less than 2.8 GHz + 25 W TDP = Turion II Dual-Core Mobile P500 series
J. 2 cores + 2 MB L2 cache + 2.8 GHz or greater + 35 W TDP = Phenom II Dual-Core Mobile N600 series
K. 2 cores + 2 MB L2 cache + 2.8 GHz or greater + 25 W TDP = Phenom II Dual-Core Mobile P600 series
L. 2 cores + 2 MB L2 cache + 2.8 GHz or greater + 45 W TDP = Phenom II Dual-Core Mobile X600 Black Edition series

I used these product naming trees to decide how to name each ES CPU, as follows:

ZM250120O2318 Case D. Should be equivalent to Turion II Ultra M620
ZM244120O2318 Case D. Should be equivalent to Turion II Ultra M600
ZM231120O2318 Case D. Non-functional, should be Turion II Ultra
ZM220120O2218 Case C. Should be equivalent to Turion II M500
ZM200120O2218 Case B or C. Non-functional, cannot determine HT frequency. May be Athlon II or Turion II

ZM271125R2323 Case H. Should be equivalent to Turion II N570
ZM251125R2323 Case H. Should be equivalent to Turion II N530
ZM221127R2323 Case I. Should be slower than Turion II P520
ZM211127R2323 Case I. Should be slower than Turion II P520
ZM224825R2223 Case F. Should be slower than Athlon II N330
ZM200127R2223 Case G. Should be slower than Athlon II P320
ZM180127R2223 Case G. Should be slower than Athlon II P320
ZM203127R1223 Case E. Should be slower than V120 or Sempron N120

Note that all of the Champlain ES seem to run OK with DDR3-1333

Part Number Identification.
The general format for these ES part numbers is ZMAABBCCDEFGG and where
Z = AMD engineering sample
M = mobile
AA = max frequency, in hundreds of MHz
BB = ??
CC = TDP in W
20 = DB = 35W in socket S1g3
25 = DC = 35W in socket S1g4
27 = SG = 25W in socket S1g4
D = package type
O = Socket S1g3
R = Socket S1g4
E = # of cores
F = L2 cache size
2 = 512 KB per core
3 = 1 MB per core
GG = core revision
18 = GQ = DA-C2
23 = GM = DA-C3
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great job Neon !

On my side, without testing I also made a table in excel file, but it looks that I lost it during the last power loss...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for this detailed information!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great Job Neon! Smile

There is just one typo in your chart: the N3xx ES ZM224825R2223 is 2,2GHz.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So :

ZM221127R2323 Case I. Should be slower than Turion II P520 => Turion P500
ZM224825R2223 Case F. Should be slower than Athlon II N330 => Athlon II N310
ZM200127R2223 Case G. Should be slower than Athlon II P320 => Athlon II P300

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