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Chriscosmo12

Joined: 14 May 2023 Posts: 426 Location: Texas, USA
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 2:35 pm Post subject: Cracking Open an IBM PowerPC 603e - 100MHz MCM |
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Opened this up last week when opening up my first IBM 4381. All of the pins on the backside fell off into a pile in the process, and some capacitors are missing. Luckily I have two of these, and chose to open the one with mashed pins anyways. Unsure if I should attempt to open the second one to see if it has a different die layout? Curious as to how some people have 603e models with two blue dies in place of the four rectangular tan ones on mine. Gotta find a way to clean it up better, already scratched off most of the thermal residue with a plastic tool but, still quite a bit left. Really beautiful for a small chip! _________________ My Collection Archive
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rjluna2
Joined: 27 Oct 2014 Posts: 1302 Location: Hiram, GA, USA
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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You can clean it up with goo cleaner
https://googone.com/
Then you can clean up the goo cleaner with the Isopropyl alcohol.
That is how I clean up with CPU with thermal paste residue. |
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Chriscosmo12

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Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Dang, googone will get rid of this stuff? Wasn't expecting that! _________________ My Collection Archive |
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rjluna2
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:46 am Post subject: |
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It does wonders for that  |
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Chriscosmo12

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Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Went to the store today and picked up some googone. Left it on for 30 seconds, it got rid of a decent amount of thermal goop. Tried for 20 minutes again, didn't get much more off, whatever they used is suuuper tough and the chip is looking pretty rough already. In the process of taking pictures, I got a couple really beautiful shots. Crazy how some colors change based on your viewing angle.
EDIT: Apparently one of the dies fell off and had googone underneath it... dunno if it chewed through the bonding apoxy. Cleaned it off and put a dab of superglue to get it back on. Oh well. |
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rjluna2
Joined: 27 Oct 2014 Posts: 1302 Location: Hiram, GA, USA
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| My suggestion to use the cotton swab with the goo gone to remove the surface area of the die and its surrounding area. |
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pixelmanca

Joined: 03 Oct 2018 Posts: 316 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Goo Gone isn't a very good solvent for thermal paste.
Brake cleaner is a much better solvent and it will get it all off with hardly any effort.
Use isopropyl alcohol and Q-Tips dipped in isopropyl alcohol to clean all of the brake cleaner off afterwards. _________________ "The error of youth is to believe that intelligence is a substitute for experience,
while the error of age is to believe that experience is a substitute for intelligence"
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Chriscosmo12

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Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ah yeah, I used lots of cotton swabs. I did see CPUGalaxy use brake cleaner, I could certainly give that a try sometime. This poor chip has gone through a lot lol _________________ My Collection Archive |
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CPUShack

Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 34259 Location: State of Jefferson, USA
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DM8800er

Joined: 28 Jun 2012 Posts: 279 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I, too, have used brake cleaner.
But, if you have the time, it's less of an assault on the environment to just use wood toothpicks to scrape off the majority of the thermal paste -- and then use Q-tips or even just Kleenex to get the last bits off. |
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Chriscosmo12

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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Oh toothpicks are a good idea, I'll have to pick some up. I primarily use qtips to clean things and they're too soft, xacto knives sort of scratch at ceramic. I'll probably be getting another 603e from John, will have to decide if I crack open the second one I have or the one I may get. _________________ My Collection Archive |
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Chriscosmo12

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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Also to add, I may try using force to break off the heatsink from one of these, since I'd like a pristine one with all the caps and whatnot. Unsure if it's possible, but if people can drill a screw into the heatsink and pry it off surely some other force can do the same. _________________ My Collection Archive |
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pixelmanca

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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I caution you against that 'Chriscosmo12', there really is no other way to get it to come off, due to the amount of silicon glue that they used to attach the heat spreader lid to it on the sides and on the top under the lid.
The safest way is to use the screw method, just be careful not to hit anything inside with the drill bit for a pilot hole and then the screw when its put into the hole. _________________ "The error of youth is to believe that intelligence is a substitute for experience,
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pixelmanca

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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| CPUShack wrote: | | Preferably brake cleaner that has Xylene in it (works alot better) |
I haven't seen brake cleaner with Xylene in it in a few years John. I think they stopped making it for environmental reasons.
All I've been able to find for the last couple of years is the kind that they say is "non-chlorinated", which I assume means without Xylene in it because there is no Xylene in it.
But you can buy some Xylene and just use some of that after using the brake cleaner, I've been doing that and it works very well too. _________________ "The error of youth is to believe that intelligence is a substitute for experience,
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CPUShack

Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 34259 Location: State of Jefferson, USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| pixelmanca wrote: | | CPUShack wrote: | | Preferably brake cleaner that has Xylene in it (works alot better) |
I haven't seen brake cleaner with Xylene in it in a few years John. I think they stopped making it for environmental reasons.
All I've been able to find for the last couple of years is the kind that they say is "non-chlorinated", which I assume means without Xylene in it because there is no Xylene in it.
But you can buy some Xylene and just use some of that after using the brake cleaner, I've been doing that and it works very well too. |
Several brands still have it (3M and some others), Xylene is just getting harder and more expensive to source
Non-chlorinated brake cleaner just means that it doesnt have tetrachloroethylene and/or methylene chloride in it (useful for some things where the Chloride and react and gasify which is very bad for your health)
Usually the Non-Cl has Acetone, Toluene, Methanol, and if you're lucky, Xylene _________________ New for 2025! The CPU Shack has a co-processor!
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