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Katmai500
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 Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:11 am Post subject: Working Timna Desktop 2023 |
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I found an ASUS TMA-PL Socket 370S Timna motherboard and got it working with a QV18 Timna sample. Initially the board would not power on, but replacing the CMOS battery did the trick. The Intel Timna graphics drivers for Win9x work correctly and I was able to run a few 3DMark tests to verify. The onboard audio and most chipset features work fine. I had some issues with the onboard NIC and PS/2 mouse port, but just chose to not use them.
The board uses SDRAM and has an Intel MTH to handle the RDRAM-SDRAM conversion for the Timna memory controller.
MTH part number:
FW82805AA
QA32ES
ICH2 Southbridge part number:
FW82801BA
Q965ES
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:12 am Post subject: |
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H3nrik V!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:47 am Post subject: |
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That's cool! Totally unreleased platform, even!
Are the drivers readily available for download, or did you make sure to archive them somewhere if anyone else ever stumble upon something? |
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Some more 3DMark results below.
As expected the performance is right in-line with Intel i810/i815 integrated graphics. |
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| H3nrik V! wrote: | That's cool! Totally unreleased platform, even!
Are the drivers readily available for download, or did you make sure to archive them somewhere if anyone else ever stumble upon something? |
I had read that Timna drivers existed, but never looked for them until I got this board. Windmiller mentioned their existence in an old post here on the forum many years ago, but never posted an update about actually finding the drivers. I found some mention of the Timna graphics driver on a few driver download websites, but they all seemed to be fake / scam sites using old driver website data with links to junk. However I did get a potential filename of the driver (win2kb51.zip). From there I ended up at this site: http://ftp.tekwind.co.jp/pub/asustw/beta/mb/driver/ . The site also had a win98b51.zip and winnt4b51.zip. The readme files in those zips included this (win98 example):
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* Intel(R) 81x Chipset Family Graphics Driver and
* Graphics Controller for Intel (R) Celeron (TM) Processor
* for Microsoft* Windows* 95 and Microsoft* Windows* 98
* Installation Information
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* Date: March 3, 2000
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* NOTE: This document refers to systems containing the
* following Intel chipset:
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* Intel(R) 810 Chipset
* Intel(R) 810E Chipset
* Intel(R) 815 Chipset
* Intel(R) 815E Chipset
* Graphics Controller for Intel (R) Celeron (TM) Processor
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And sure enough, the win98b51 driver worked perfectly in Windows 98. For now all three files are still available on that site. I have local copies I’d like to archive, but I’m not sure the best place to do so.
Edit: the Windows 2000 driver (win2kb51) will work under Windows XP if you install it manually via device manager and use the "choose driver myself" + "have disk" options and select the driver INF file.
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Bator
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Katmai500,
Job well done, awesome!
Chipset "secret" 
Where do such motherboards live?
I would buy.
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Bator wrote: | Katmai500,
Job well done, awesome!
Chipset "secret"
Where do such motherboards live?
I would buy. |
My source for this board had more than one. So you may see a few more appear on the forum sometime soon.  |
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Some additional benchmarks:
Quake III Arena Demo 1 @ normal settings: 32.6 fps
SisSoft Sanda 99
CPU Dhrystone: 1810 MIPS
FPU Whetstone 896 MFLOPS
Memory Integer STREAM benchmark: 205 MB/s
Memory FPU STREAM benchmark: 208 MB/s
The memory benchmarks are way slower than a Pentium III on a 440BX. Not a very good showing for the MTH here. I have an intel CC820 board with the i820 chipset and MTH. I'm curious how that would compare with a 667 MHz Celeron installed via a Socket 370 to Slot 1 adapter. That should isolate away the MTH and just leave a performance comparison of i820 vs the Timna memory controller. |
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ApostolCV
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,Katmai500. Youhave founded a real treasure. Please accept my congratulations. Old articles described problems with the i820 MTH.
Does this sample have the same problems?
Have you checked this for stability? |
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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It's been fairly stable in my testing thus far. Some applications such as Everest or CPU-Z will give a blue screen error if you try to pull the CPUID information, but otherwise I haven't had any repeatable issues.
I also have an Intel CC820 motherboard with the MTH and it also seemed stable when I tested it.
I haven't run any specific stability tests such as a multi-hour Prime95 run. |
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mavroxur
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I've never heard of Timna - I learn something new every day! |
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| wcpuid and CPU-Z screenshots: |
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H3nrik V!
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That was unexpected ... Isn't it a pretty standard CuMine-128 core with a north bridge integrated?
[Edit] Just read that the CPUID was reused on Pentium-M, which makes it make sense ...  |
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