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rjluna2
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| I won't be surprised that the PCI database will not turn up with Vendor ID: 8086, Device ID: 1A12 for that video device listed here. |
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max1024
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| CPUShack wrote: | If anyone needs a Timna board, I do have a stash of them for your testing pleasure  |
WoW, Great PM sent ! |
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Timna QV18 CPUID Info pulled from Everest under Windows XP added below.
The Windows 2000 Timna GPU drivers will install under XP if you use the "choose driver myself" + "have disk" options under device manager to manually install it. Running the install exe results in a compatibility error.
--------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]------------------------------------------------------------
Version EVEREST v2.20.405
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer TESTBENCH
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2023-11-10
Time 22:58
--------[ CPUID ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPUID Properties:
CPUID Manufacturer GenuineIntel
CPUID Revision 00000692h
IA Brand ID 01h (Intel Celeron)
Platform ID 00h (Unknown)
IA CPU Serial Number Unknown
HTT / CMP Units 0 / 0
Instruction Set:
64-bit x86 Extension (AMD64, EM64T) Not Supported
Alternate Instruction Set Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Professional Not Supported
AMD Enhanced 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD Extended MMX Not Supported
Cyrix Extended MMX Not Supported
IA-64 Not Supported
IA MMX Supported
IA SSE Supported
IA SSE 2 Not Supported
IA SSE 3 Not Supported
CLFLUSH Instruction Not Supported
CMPXCHG8B Instruction Supported
CMPXCHG16B Instruction Not Supported
Conditional Move Instruction Supported
MONITOR / MWAIT Instruction Not Supported
RDTSCP Instruction Not Supported
SYSCALL / SYSRET Instruction Not Supported
SYSENTER / SYSEXIT Instruction Supported
VIA FEMMS Instruction Not Supported
Security Features:
Advanced Cryptography Engine (ACE) Not Supported
Data Execution Prevention (DEP, NX, EDB) Not Supported
Hardware Random Number Generator (RNG) Not Supported
Montgomery Multiplier & Hash Engine Not Supported
Processor Serial Number (PSN) Not Supported
Power Management Features:
Automatic Clock Control Not Supported
Enhanced Halt State (C1E) Not Supported
Enhanced SpeedStep Technology (EIST, ESS) Not Supported
Frequency ID Control Not Supported
LongRun Not Supported
LongRun Table Interface Not Supported
PowerSaver 1.0 Not Supported
PowerSaver 2.0 Not Supported
PowerSaver 3.0 Not Supported
Processor Duty Cycle Control Not Supported
Software Thermal Control Not Supported
Temperature Sensing Diode Not Supported
Thermal Monitor 1 Not Supported
Thermal Monitor 2 Not Supported
Thermal Monitoring Not Supported
Thermal Trip Not Supported
Voltage ID Control Not Supported
CPUID Features:
36-bit Page Size Extension Not Supported
Address Region Registers (ARR) Not Supported
CPL Qualified Debug Store Not Supported
Debug Trace Store Not Supported
Debugging Extension Supported
Fast Save & Restore Supported
Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT) Not Supported
L1 Context ID Not Supported
Local APIC On Chip Not Supported
Machine Check Architecture (MCA) Supported
Machine Check Exception (MCE) Supported
Memory Configuration Registers (MCR) Not Supported
Memory Type Range Registers (MTRR) Supported
Model Specific Registers (MSR) Supported
Page Attribute Table (PAT) Supported
Page Global Extension Supported
Page Size Extension (PSE) Supported
Pending Break Event Not Supported
Physical Address Extension (PAE) Not Supported
Secure Virtual Machine Extensions (Pacifica) Not Supported
Self-Snoop Not Supported
Time Stamp Counter (TSC) Supported
Virtual Machine Extensions (Vanderpool) Not Supported
Virtual Mode Extension Supported
CPUID Registers (CPU #1):
CPUID 00000000 00000002-756E6547-6C65746E-49656E69
CPUID 00000001 00000692-00000001-00000000-0381F9BF
CPUID 00000002 03020101-00000000-00000000-0C040881
--------[ Debug - Unknown ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Motherboard 05/26/2000-Timna-TMA-PL
Motherboard ASUS TMA-PL ACPI BIOS Revision 1001 Beta 004
Motherboard DMIMOBO: ASUSTeK Computer INC. TMA-PL
Motherboard DMISYS: System Manufacturer System Name
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CPUShack
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The Windows 2000 Timna GPU drivers will install under XP if you use the "choose driver myself" + "have disk" options under device manager to manually install it. Running the install exe results in a compatibility error. |
Cant remember if Windows XP had a compatibility mode like WIn 7 for running programs like that
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| CPUShack wrote: | | Quote: | | The Windows 2000 Timna GPU drivers will install under XP if you use the "choose driver myself" + "have disk" options under device manager to manually install it. Running the install exe results in a compatibility error. |
Cant remember if Windows XP had a compatibility mode like WIn 7 for running programs like that |
It does. I’m pretty sure I tried it and it didn’t work, but not 100% sure. Installing manually worked fine though. |
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TheMajorTechie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Working Timna Desktop 2023 |
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| Katmai500 wrote: | I found an ASUS TMA-PL Socket 370S Timna motherboard and got it working with a QV18 Timna sample. Initially the board would not power on, but replacing the CMOS battery did the trick. The Intel Timna graphics drivers for Win9x work correctly and I was able to run a few 3DMark tests to verify. The onboard audio and most chipset features work fine. I had some issues with the onboard NIC and PS/2 mouse port, but just chose to not use them.
The board uses SDRAM and has an Intel MTH to handle the RDRAM-SDRAM conversion for the Timna memory controller.
MTH part number:
FW82805AA
QA32ES
ICH2 Southbridge part number:
FW82801BA
Q965ES |
Apologies for necro-ing, but I have the same Timna board and it's currently nonfunctional. I have a good CMOS battery installed already but it refuses to POST. Would you be able to share a BIOS dump for me to compare against? |
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Katmai500
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately the link to the drivers I provided earlier is no longer valid. The old internet is eroding every day. Thankfully I saved a copy of all three drivers. I provided them to CPU_Shack. Perhaps they can be hosted elsewhere or provided upon request. |
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CHips
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misace
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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There are special Vintage editions of CPU-Z, HWinfo and SIV. It may show more informations or you can even help them to improve these utilities to show correct informations. Maybe development is not active now, but it can be in the future again.
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=68615
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CHips
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Got the same System myself  !
I ran Windows 8 Developer Preview on it, Prototype Software on Prototype Hardware!
The Screenshots are in True Color, but in fact the image was actually displayed in some kind of 16 colors greyscale for some reason... And of course, the manual Win2kb51 Driver installation is no longer working with such a generational gap Lol
As it has been observed, Cpu-Z thinks that it is a Banias Pentium M, and gets its multiplier completely wrong... Validation (Vintage)
Now need some Es Ram, Psu, and Hdd or Compact Flash to have a 100% Prototype system Lol
Well, honestly I don't really want to power the system on again and risk frying the Cpu at any time, since there is no way to set less than 2.05V for some reason, while the Qv18 is supposed to work at 1.65V...
Maybe that is why only a minority of Timnas from my source were still working...
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wren4777
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Well, honestly I don't really want to power the system on again and risk frying the Cpu at any time, since there is no way to set less than 2.05V for some reason, while the Qv18 is supposed to work at 1.65V...
Maybe that is why only a minority of Timnas from my source were still working... |
Has anyone attmepted to load the BIOS in a AMIBCP or similar to see if voltage control can be added? Unless it's a hardware limitation...
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CHips
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I am not very familiar with Bios Modding in general and could share the Bios Dump if an expert in the domain wants to investigate...
MD5 Hash if someone who also has the Board wants to check if we have the same Bios: 2e444005f32cc82d3752657df02dbe4b
Phoenix Bios Editor says "No BCPs found!" and AmiBcp "Couldn't open the file" (though it makes sense since it is an Award Bios Lol). CbRom hangs indefinitely when trying to display the Bios Info with /D.
Would definitively be interesting to see what happens at intended Voltages...
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