Building a semi-private old CPU PDF collection

[JAC]

"I'm alright Jack."

[debs3759]

No comment - capitalism isn't a trait I like to argue about Maybe if I could afford to buy a collection of databooks as well as the chips it might look better to me, but currently I prefer to buy chips with what little money the government gives me.

[chip68]

It's got nothing to do with capitalism (by which I assume you mean profiteering), just fair compensation for what an item - or one's time - is worth.

Case in point: George spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on rare Intel data books and sifted through a mountain of information to put together his collector's guide... That's a tremendous lot of work that went into generating something he's practically giving away at $30 a pop, and that doesn't even include complete electrical data. To expect to get something similar for FREE is totally unrealistic. Fortunately, most die-hard collectors aren't quite so stubbornly parsimonious.

Like I said, if you can afford one, you can afford the other. As someone who's been actively involved in this pastime for decades, I see no evidence to suggest otherwise. For one grey trace C4004 you could practically buy yourself an entire library... And you'd be making a thousand times better investment in your collection to boot.

- CMW

[debs3759]

Actually, I have never been in a position to buy a grey traces C4004 (or any other 4004...), and the databooks I have seen recently are a lot more expewnsive than the amount I can afford msot weeks.

Also the comment about capitalism appears to have upset you - it was not mean to be offensive, it describes a way of life that I cannot follow as I do not have the money or means to make it.

I am/was primarily a programmer and started collecting as a means to test x86 source code on the widest range of chips available - if I get the opportunity to buy a chip or a databok, I would rather have the chip than the databook. If I could afford both I would have both, but I am not as well off as most people who are capable of working (which I am not, due to long term health issues, and telling me to buy databoks won't change that). A simple request for info is not a major thing and should not be treated as if it were.

[JAC]

[chip68]

[CPUShack]

Keep it somewhat civil folks
wankers, etc are not appropriate.

I think the issue alot of folks have with buying databooks is that they were FREE originally.

Napster is where people got music for free that wasnt originally, databooks are the opposite.

And yes you can get good deals on databooks if you look, I got a 78 Intel one for $5

[chip68]

[CPUShack]

Hehe I hope you didnt pay for xerox copies lol (legality of that would be questionable, unless you paid for used paper that HAPPENED to have a datasheet on it)

my 78 Intel sold from radio shack for $4.95 but you could order it from Intel for free

[chip68]

[CPUShack]

haha my nationals are the same way.
If you're not makin a profit on them it should fall under fair use, though most of the 70's stuff is beyond its copyright anyways.

[Marcin]

no offence chip68 but if all people could have same point of view like you - wikipedia could never be opened and exist. I can skan what I have and upload to ftp if somebody from collectors will need that. My time in work is payable, time spended on hobby works is free.

[chip68]

That's all fine and dandy, as long as you don't expect someone else's time and effort to be free. It has to be voluntary - and people who DO want to be fairly compensated have every right to be.

No offense to you either, btw, but this hobby wouldn't even exist without those of us who have paved the way and made their collections available to the public. Whether it's for free or not is irrelevant.

- CMW

[nivla]

I need AMD k5,k6k7,k8 presentations and architecture information, so if possible could someone give me a link/links to chapters related to files mentioned at "The_Mad's" reply