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Simmayor
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 Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: eBay & sniping |
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Hi,
I was reading an interesting article in a german PC magazine (C'T, nr. 10) about eBay and sniping of auctions.
I must have lived under a stone this year as i did not know of the existence of programs that will bid within the last seconds of an auction. Even online sites offer this service!
Do some of you use these services/programs?
Anyway, i really wonder wether this sort of bidding helps you win an auction. A 8080 is up for auction, and i know it is worth about $120. I want it, so i bid $120 even if the auction has 3 days to go. Even a sniper has to bid higher than me. In my opinion sniping only works when bidding is done with small amounts higher than the last bid. If someone begins bidding with his/her max bid, he or she wins or loses because someone else had a higher max bid.
What are your thoughts? ......Frassl?? 
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CPUShack
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Dunno..I dont like sniping much
mainly because i have a slow net connection.
Been outbid by 50 cents way too many times with 3 seconds left in the auction.
I prefer auction sites that extend the auction aftyer a bid.
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fRaSsL
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Snipping is one way of clever bidding, but the best snipper was not mentioned in c't magazine
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skold
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| i do sniping, but i do it manually. i dont think ive ever been actually sniped though. usually people just bid higher than im willing to pay |
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gshv
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: eBay & sniping |
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| Simmayor wrote: | | Do some of you use these services/programs? |
I don't. Sniping manually is a lot of fun, I don't want to miss it 
| Quote: | | Anyway, i really wonder wether this sort of bidding helps you win an auction. |
It helps to win some auctions, usually when you're bidding against newbies or people who likes to bid more when they are overbid. It won't help if you're bidding against a guy who knows his max price for an item, or against other sniper. There are a few important things in sniping:
- you're not involved in a bidding war, and you do not provoke bidding war. This helps to keep current bid at a mininum price, and, if you're bidding against a newbie, sometimes you can get an item really cheap.
- If you overbid another guy in the last few seconds he usually doesn't have time to put another bid.
- If you don't overbid another guy you don't have time to put another bid, that is no more questions like "why did I pay $200 for 8080 when my max was $120 at the beginning???"
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razor1000
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I just started using a bidding program.
It is useful when there is an auction I don't want to miss. (Remember that Cyrix GXm group buy?  )
It is nice to have it when I know I won't be around to bid, like when the auction ends at 5AM. But it is definitely not a complete replacement for manual bidding.
When I started looking for a bidding program I noticed that there are many online sites that offer this service. I wasn't keen on paying a monthly fee, so I got a program that I could install on my own computer. The downside is that I can't access it from anywhere.
I think the ideal program would be one with a local GUI, and a web interface that you can access from outside of home, also. |
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Komz
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Take a look at http://snip.pl/en/.
Snip is an online auction sniper. It allows you watch any auction on eBay (eBay.com, eBay.de, eBay.co.uk, ...) and automatically place your bid in the closing seconds of an auction. All you have to do is tell Snip where and when, and it will take care of the rest.
and it's free.
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razor1000
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Will it steal your eBay password and bid on women's lingerie? |
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Komz
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CPUShack
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x86sniper
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Simmayor wrote: | | Do some of you use these services/programs? |
No, I agree with Genna, sniping is a must do for me being a sniper , I don't trust programs and it is always better for you to control when to fire manually .
| Quote: | | In my opinion sniping only works when bidding is done with small amounts higher than the last bid. If someone begins bidding with his/her max bid, he or she wins or loses because someone else had a higher max bid. |
That's why you need to had a look of the bid history before you snipe, it helps you to estimate the amount of other bid. Compaire the bidding time between bids helps you to determine whether a super high bid is exist (when the top bid was bidded before the others)
| Quote: | | It helps to win some auctions, usually when you're bidding against newbies or people who likes to bid more when they are overbid. It won't help if you're bidding against a guy who knows his max price for an item, or against other sniper. |
There are only two possible ending of sniping: success or fail, if fail, you only forced the high bidder buy the item at a higher price , otherwise, you need to consider two things:
-You need to pay for the item at a price higher than 'his max price'
-You need to be able to pay within your bid limit as the secong bid price may be very close to your limits.
so when I have to snipe, first I decide a super high bid that I can handle, yet higher than the supposted max price (the general price)
Second I prepare myself to handle the worst case like: Put a $500 bid and really need to pay $500.
| Quote: | | - If you overbid another guy in the last few seconds he usually doesn't have time to put another bid. |
Not really, depends on the internet connection, sometimes it is possible for others to put a bid after you put yours, that is the reason i put a superhigh bid, suppose others can put one bid at a sec, but how many can put another bid in time, while the bid just putted still outbid by me?
| Quote: | | - If you don't overbid another guy you don't have time to put another bid, that is no more questions like "why did I pay $200 for 8080 when my max was $120 at the beginning???" |
Sniping, like its military explanation, is a strategy which empersize on accurcy, not amount. As we are not going into a bidding war, there is no reason why you need to put a second bid. I only put one bid whenever I snipe, except for maintaining position, I may put another bid with the same max price.
In reality everyone have their measurement on how much an item worth, and have a max price on it, You don't want to pay when the price went higher than you expected, right? In such case you would not bid anymore, since it is already out of your budget.
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gmphillips2
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 9:50 am Post subject: Snipers |
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Ah, the satisfaction of placing the high bid with 5 seconds left, and then hitting refresh to see the closed auction and realizing with horror that you've been outbid by 3 different bidders in the final seconds of an auction.
It's happened to me more than a few times. The best example was probably when I bid slightly over 1000.00 for the nicest 4004 w/gray
traces that had ever shown up on EBAY. I was SURE I had that chip.
No way anyone else would outbid me. Needless to say, I lost the chip.
What I have found is the best approach is to simply bid extremely high
on everything you bid on to the point that it will be extremely painful for anyone else to outbid out.
You'll end up paying more for the first auctions you do this in but after a while you'll end up saving money because other bidders will recognize you and just assume it's not worth bidding against you.
This approach had been working great but there's some new bidders out there now that just refuse to be intimidated!
I'm just going to have to draw a line in the sand the next time
something shows up on EBAY that I really want. So if you see me bidding, don't even think about, it's not worth it, you'll end up paying way more than it's worth. You have been warned;) |
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fRaSsL
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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LOL... what a nice try 
I would be careful with these statements. There are some (maybe not fair) methods to get out how much you bid... I would be a nice try and then placing a bid some $ below yours... LOL...
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razor1000
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I used the snip.pl service to win an auction that was going to end while I was sleeping. It worked great.
And I haven't "magically" bid on any women's underwear.  |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, sometime I use snip.pl too  I won about 20 auction with snip help. If you win auction that cost about 15 cents. No one will use your password all is safe and easy to use I use snip when I wheren't near a computer. I recommend snip.pl |
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