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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Debs collection (daylight robbery). Reply with quote

I am not giong to discuss Debie's decision.
I'm just looking at 0.5 Euro for not so common chips or 10 Euro for really rare ones... I do not denounce bidders (I'm one of them). But it seems to be a robbery.
What can we do in this situation?
I suggest following:
1) to offer prices as high (real) as we could
2) promise to return chips if Debbie will comeback to collect CPUs

Any other idea?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 man.....the prices going over and over...i think its more fair a real e-bay or using standar prefix cpu cost.....if 2 ppl want much a chip and this chip worth 3 e for example..the price will go for 10 or more...
and we dont have so much money for a bunch of chips...
i thin the only happy is deb....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Debs collection (daylight robbery). Reply with quote

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I am not giong to discuss Debie's decision.
I'm just looking at 0.5 Euro for not so common chips or 10 Euro for really rare ones... I do not denounce bidders (I'm one of them). But it seems to be a robbery.


It's not. It's just the result of the sales' rules... Written by the seller, and accepted by the bidders ! Both part did accept this 'contract', so it can't be more fair !

BTW, Debs said she would not sell some items if she finds the prices too low compared to what she paid for them (kind of reserve price). What do you want more ??? We are all responsible adults here, and i think your post is a bit condescending...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Debbie make rules and Debbie made rules so I respect that decision
anyway I don't think that all prices will be low.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its fair to not accept 3-4 eyros for some chips if finaly close at this price??
if she wants prices at she have paid so why dont give us the prices to compare them with our walet and see if we can buy it or not?
i have bit to 25 chips right now....so finnaly may i take 2-3 if she think the other prices low?

anyway...i think this stuff not even started like this way....now we can do anything....

its not againist debs....as she say nobody can happy with this system...im not too... Smile anyway...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and btw... here we arent "the richest man in the babylon"
if we are...we collect old vintage cars or airplanes...or diamonds Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My suggestion was that she post prices for the chips individually, she didnt want to be bothered with all that work, so i accept the agreement from her. And she has stated that she will not let chips go if they are bid too low, so its up the her to decide when its all said and done. If shes happy then i am comfortable with my bids.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if she come back, i'll return chips. I agree with iguana_kiev...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure that she won't get a good price. Wait and see what happens in 12 hours with the first batch. I'll bet there will be a lot of action in the last 10 minutes. Judging by prices so far, I think she will probably get close or exceed the 5000 pounds (1300 chips x 4 euro average?)
I guess it is an opportunity to buy chips that would take years to otherwise find/accumulate, hence why the prices will probably be fair and reasonable at the end of the day.

I don't know how many chips I have bid for, but it would be >100, and I've generally bid prices that I would pay for these chips either through ebay or from others collectors (or higher in some cases), so I don't feel guilty about the process
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont worry about the rare chip
for a "rare" chip the price will be around the money she spend
take the AMD 486SX2-50( i am biding now ) as example , debs bought it by 8 euro and it is 10 euro now
and so are the other chips

but i guess she probably got loss on the " common chip"
for example , a lot of the common K6 and pentium will be sold just slightly over the price of gold-scrap but i am sure Debs spend more


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was Debs' decision to sell her collection!
I asked her to keep her collection and warned about the "church" she joined. And she deleted my post Sad

The God doesn't have anything against CPUs, but the "Jesus Army" does.

Here are some articles about "Jesus Army".
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/List_of_groups_referred_to_as_cults#J-L
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=516&Itemid=8


If Debs wanted to earn more money from her sales why did she listed all the 1300+ chips simultaneously? None of us have enough buying power!
The best possible sale strategy would be to wait and to offer the chips consecutively during a considerable period of time.

Apparently Debs decided to earn less money in a short period of time.
Why? The answer is obvious. Just read Debs' signature.
Quote:
All the believers were one in heart and mind. No-one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.

The key word here is share.

Debs is going to "share" the money with the "church". As you certainly can understand the church demands the money ASAP. The church's elders fear that Debs may perhaps change her mind and they won't get their "rightful share".



As I said in my deleted post - it's Debs' sole decision. We aren't able change something.
I hope I'm wrong about the "Jesus Army". My best wishes are with you Debs. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think its debs desision to spent her money ever she wants....no care about it if spend it on vacations in caribean sea or share it in church...(some parts of my fammily they do also...Sad (spending money on church and stuff) am not "in" with this but i can change something...if they are happy...Smile
....we just buy cpus....
the bad thing is the price and method of this sell is the higher prices....and so on...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts are that the rare chips will probably go for more than Debs bought them for and the real common chips will go for less or not be bought at all so in the end I think it will work out. I also think that if you get a good deal on a chip or two think of it this way. Think of it as a little bit of a gift from Debs to remember her contributions to our collections. Now if you just joined to take advantage of this sale that is a completely different story but if you are an ACTIVE contributor to the site like most of you who are posting in this thread then then I think Debs knows what your intentions are based on past actions.

I bid exactly what I would pay for chips that I actively collect and in some cases more and lower for ones that I would like to have but arent critical to my collection. But in the end Debs has the ability to say no to the bid to insure she is happy with the sale which I think is fine.

The time it would have taken to price individually would have been enormous. When I have a sale of just 50+ chips it takes hours of sorting, pricing and packing. And in all honesty I am pretty amazed at the speed Debs has been able to handle all of this.

Just my 2 cents. I think we have a great group of people here and for the most part most of the active collectors here are fair and honest. How often in other parts of your life do you let 100's of dollars of items be shipped overseas on trust alone?

But iguana_kiev's idea #2 had crossed my mind but there are too many new collectors here who Debs doesnt know well enough and they would feel left out.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think Debs will change mind and some day say "wow i want back my collection and my previus life".....
come one....none give back cpus....are u rend it or something? are u buy....even she back;s the money very few will return something....
my thougts....nothing more...Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pricing is not finalized yet on any of the sales, so it is too soon to say that it is a robbery. Debs reserves the right to withhold sale of chips in which she would lose a lot of her investment, so she is protected. It seems like the pricing is mostly fair so far.

For what it's worth, if Debs decides to resume her chip collection activity, then any chips that I obtain in this sale will become available to her upon request - as these chips will be marked to indicate that they come from her collection.
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