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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:20 am    Post subject: Cleaning CPU-s Reply with quote

Hello,
Im a beginner cpu collector and I have one important question that I need answered:

What do you use to clean the thermal paste (and other dirt) from the CPU-s??

Im most concerned about the "plated" ones, because of my lack of knowledge I touched them with fingers and left fingerprints on them Crying or Very sad
So now im afraid to even touch them without proper knowledge... Any advice would be welcome Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Personally, I use Acetone. It works very well to remove thermal paste and other dirt, while preserving painted labels.

Beware though with P2 / P3 / Xeon plastic cartridge : they melt it you use Acetone on them. But for ceramic CPU, it's perfect.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep I use acetone as well. Works a treat. I also try isopropyl alcohol and it works quite well on certain stuff like stickers, but acetone is the number 1.
If you have really tough stickers that some suppliers put on, soak it in acetone and then rub the sticker and it should break up into little pieces
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm
For ceramic cpus and K6 alike (when metal part is made with steel-like metal) that seams reasonable but what about those golden ones?
Won't cloth with acetone leave some trails the surface of Pentium PRO, Cyrix 6x86 etc. ?
The plated part is made of some sort of copper alloy I think, and copper is very reactive (touching Pentium PRO has left fingerprints on it)...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem with goldcaps. It works well also, without any damage.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another method I have started using when thermal past wont come off (example: black Pentium pro's) with normal methods I heat up the top with heat gun or hair dryer and then quickly rub it off the paste and it comes right off.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toluene works well for thermal interface materials and some stickers, including many cases where acetone is only somewhat useful. However, caution is advised when using on some older cpus with printing. If unsure whether the printing would be removed, check on a small portion first.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thx 4 answers, time to do the cleaning! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, acetone is the best for ceramic, metalic and gold surfaces and a dry toothbrush to remove dust from heatshinks, PGA pins or small slits.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used acetone on my first cleaning attempts and it will work, but BE CAREFUL:
1- It evaporates very fast and that could mean that the paste or adhesive smears also dry before you can wipe off the solvent.
2- Acetone is volatile and can also remove painted print and some ink print on the chip top. This is not good.... Rolling Eyes
3- Toluene is very toxic to breath- be careful.
My best results removing gummy label adhesives from chips (EPROMS especially) has been with generic pure "mineral spirits" that you can buy at any hardware store cheaply. It hasn't disturbed any ink or paint on my chips yet. Just try rubbing easily at first to make sure your not removing any ink print.

This and also heat work well removing thermal paste and many other dirty spots and it leaves my chips surface looking fresh and like new.
The mild solvent odor doesn't last long after being wiped off with a cotton rag. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is stay clear of Toluene. This is dangerous stuff - bad for your health (unless using breathing apparatus). There are safer ways to clean
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toluene is not very toxic to breathe, if you are not breathing high concentrations for hours per day.

You should of course use any solvent - toluene, acetone, mineral spirits, turpentine, etc. - in a well ventilated area.
You don't want to splash these all over yourself, which should not be an issue, since you don't need very much.
Keep the lid on the container.
Use a large enough applicator that you don't get a lot on your hands. If you are squeamish about it, wear rubber gloves.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neon wrote:
Toluene is not very toxic to breathe, if you are not breathing high concentrations for hours per day.

You should of course use any solvent - toluene, acetone, mineral spirits, turpentine, etc. - in a well ventilated area.
You don't want to splash these all over yourself, which should not be an issue, since you don't need very much.
Keep the lid on the container.
Use a large enough applicator that you don't get a lot on your hands. If you are squeamish about it, wear rubber gloves.


Toluene is linked to neurological disorders, so any exposure is best avoided if possible. I recall my university days in the chemistry labs - our use of toluene was always via fume extraction cabinets and we aere always warned against inhaling. Stick to acetone
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heavy chronic toluene exposure is linked to kidney damage, but occasional low concentration exposure is not a major health issue, nor is it a cumulative poison. In toxicology, time and concentration of exposure are the keys.

Here are the relevant portions of the Material Safety Data Sheets for toluene and acetone. Note that either can cause neurological impairment at high concentrations. Thus the need to use in well ventilated areas, limit exposure, etc. There are additional problems with chronic exposure to toluene.

Toluene:
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Inhalation: Causes respiratory tract irritation. Inhalation of high concentrations (>200 ppm) of toluene are clearly associated with CNS encephalopathy, headache, depression, lassitude (weakness, exhaustion), impaired coordination, transient memory loss, and impaired reaction time.
Chronic: Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause defatting and dermatitis. Repeated exposure in combination with constant, loud noise can produce hearing loss and dizziness. Chronic hydrocarbon abuse (for example, sniffing glue or light hydrocarbons such as contained in this material) has been associated with irregular heart rhythms and potential cardiac arrest. Toluene abuse has been linked with kidney disease, as evidenced by blood, protein, & pus in the urine, accompanied by elevated serum creatinine, decreased urinary output, & metabolic & renal tubular acidosis. Although kidney toxicity has not been common in cases of occupational toluene exposure, there has been at least one report of renal toxicity following a 40-year occupational toluene exposure. Toluene does not cause the severe injury to the bone marrow that is characteristic of benzene poisoning. Intentional abuse of toluene vapors has been linked to damage of the brain, liver, kidney and to death. Repeated inhalation exposure of toluene to animals causes histological changes in the brain, degeneration of the heart tissue, and possible immune

Acetone:
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Inhalation: Inhalation of high concentrations may cause central nervous system effects characterized by nausea, headache, dizziness, unconsciousness and coma. Causes respiratory tract irritation. May cause motor incoordination and speech abnormalities.
Chronic: Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause dermatitis. Chronic inhalation may cause effects similar to those of acute inhalation. Matsushita et al. exposed human volunteers 6 hours/day for 6 days at 500 ppm acetone and found hematologic changes including significantly increased leukocyte and eosinophil counts and decreased neutrophil phagocytic activity.


Acetone is often sufficient. Depending on the substance(s) you are trying to remove, it is sometimes not up to the task, and a different solvent may be required.

In view of this, toluene can be used safely, if the appropriate precautions mentioned earlier are observed.
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