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el_gecko
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| wepwawet wrote: | | My respect goes to McCain who's speech Tuesday evening when he calmed down the crowd and spoke about "his president" was very impressive. |
I agree. The idea that almost all people and politics, republican or democrat, line up behind their new president is very impressive. Here in France politics doesn't work like that and it's really less constructive IMHO.
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D.8080
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I'm not really impressed by his speech.
In US there is such a bad situation that the only thing McCain can do is to avoid hate spreading. US citizens have been axed one time with war and a second time with subprimes... that they are even going to pay!
USA needs some deep changes, it's not Reagan or Nixon anymore, USSR and communists to challenge, now it's time to get on internal issues.
McCain knows this and can't just row against it, he's not sharing Obama's points of view but he for sure wants his country to get back on track. |
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Windmiller
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Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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| wepwawet wrote: | | when he calmed down the crowd and spoke about "his president" was very impressive |
Very good point. For some of us, this is the very first president we can get behind. As far back as I can remember all I heard was negative things about the president so this is a completely different feeling for me. Even though many speak highly of Clinton this wasnt the case while he was in office. It wasnt until years later that many realized the positive effects he had on the economy, the enviroment, etc.
Am I worried? Sure.
Do I understand why some are wary of Obama? Of course but I more optimistic than I have ever been. |
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picur10
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Anyway, I'm happy to see Bush finished his period. He not just looks like but he behave as a monkey.
I don't like him. |
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CPUShack
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I'm not a huge fan of Bush, but all this 'worst president of all time', and 'disastor' talk is a bit annoying.
What has he done that is THAT bad? The is an epic disastor?
The war in Iraq should have been finished soon, but thats not epic failure.
The Patriot Act was no fun, but Congress passed it.
The economy situation is the result of 20 years of govt screw up, not just Bush.
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smithy
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It is refreshing to see an intelligent, articulate and seemingly well liked (globally) person head up the world's most powerful country. Time will tell, but here's hoping he will use the USA's power to bring stability & peace to the world (as much as can be realistically expected), and reinvigorate the USA's domestic economy/services.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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What has he done that is THAT bad? The is an epic disastor?
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I guess from a global perspective, the rest of the world saw him and his administration as divisive - the old "you're with us or against us", and driven by almost its own fundamentalism. The Iraq invasion was unquestionably on false pretences and has cost your country trillions of taxpayer dollars, which could have been better spent on internal health, education etc. But he was your President and was voted in twice, so who are we argue with who ran your country. |
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debs3759
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How many times have we heard the same old story - "this president will get it right, he is better than the last one", or "how bad that one was, glad he's gone", etc.?
It's gotta be hard to head up the government in one of the world's largest and most powerful nations (or any other nation...) without making any mistakes...
I just hope this time we see something different that will make today's generation proud to have heard his name 
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CPUShack
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| smithy wrote: | | CPUShack wrote: |
What has he done that is THAT bad? The is an epic disastor?
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I guess from a global perspective, the rest of the world saw him and his administration as divisive - the old "you're with us or against us", and driven by almost its own fundamentalism. The Iraq invasion was unquestionably on false pretences and has cost your country trillions of taxpayer dollars, which could have been better spent on internal health, education etc. But he was your President and was voted in twice, so who are we argue with who ran your country. |
Better yet NOT spent in the first place, and lower taxes.
That is one thing I do not like about Obama, his goa l of raising my taxes (about $5000 extra a year for me since I employ people overseas)
He also is not a fan of my hobbies (ie firearms)
Bush divisive? perhaps, false pretenses? ehh maybe, seeing some of the stuff found in Iraq was remarkable, I just wish it would have been about a 2 year war, instead of 7+, but I have a MUCH different idea of war then most people.
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Cobracon
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Location: Roosterpoot, MS; US of A (Obama country!)
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| debs3759 wrote: |
LMAO
I'm so glad I don't follow politics. I don't even discuss my own beliefs very often, politics is the best way to lose a good friend |
I follow politics, and am a fanatic when it comes to American political shows such as: Meet the Press, Hardball, Countdown, The Rachel Maddow Show, and Face the Nation.
I supported Obama from day one, and have lost 2 long time friends because of this. Living 'down south' in Mississippi almost requires white people to hate blacks and vice versa. It's social suicide for a white person to support a black person running for any political office here.
Though I was drafted into the Army during the Vietnam War, I DO NOT believe McCainiac's time as a POW qualifies him to be a President and Commander-in-Chief. His antics of sporadically jumping from one idea and/or problem to another displayed his lack of calm under pressure. Besides, McCainiac voted in support of Bush's views 90% of the time and a blind person could see what Georgie's policies have done to the U.S. and the World's economy. The U.S. is now a debtor nation and the dollar isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
IMO, the reason George Bush wouldn't talk to our (actually his) "enemies" leading other countries is because Georgie isn't intelligent enough to carry out the task. He showed over and over during his speeches that he lacks the ability to speak and/or think on his feet.
Obama's character and intellect are 180 degrees opposite from Bush and McCainiac's. Obama will do America proud! 
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gshv
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| CPUShack wrote: | | He also is not a fan of my hobbies (ie firearms) |
I hope collecting CPUs will still be allowed.
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CPUShack
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| gshv wrote: | | CPUShack wrote: | | He also is not a fan of my hobbies (ie firearms) |
I hope collecting CPUs will still be allowed.
Gennadiy |
As long as you spread the ES around.
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FDIV
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Obama is a socialist who believes the fundamental role of government is to rectify the "wrongs" of the free market by redistributing the wealth of those who work to those who do not. This has long been evident from his behavior in the Illinois senate as well as the professors he chose to mentor him in college. Not to mention his own admission as such in his autobiography. This fact was hidden by a media very intent on getting him elected. Surveys show better than 80% of Americans are against government redistribution of wealth. Unfortunately most of them did little research before casting a vote.
Obama is also a blatant racist as evidenced by his choice of religious leadership. As well as many quotes from his own books as well as speeches. Lest we forget his words "White greed drives a world in need." I find his anti-white racism amusing as he is half white and was raised by that side of the family. He proports to be such a savior of the black race which he believes has been oppressed since the days of slavery but has no familial roots to slaves in America. Just the opposite in fact his ancestors on the white side were slave owners. I may be a white American but I have no ancestors to apologize for. This great black savior does. Maybe he should pay those often talked about reparations for slavery not me.
As CPUshack mentioned Obama also makes no bones about taking our favorite toys. His history of anti 2nd amendment behavior is unparalleled even for his party. Ironically the mere prospect of his election brought about a spike in gun sales of more than 20% last month. I am curious what the jump is now that he has actual won.
I make no excuses for Bush who I did not even vote for in 04. He is a fool and a Crusader. As a Libertarian ideologically I cannot abide fools who run off and start wars with loud mouthed dictators for shakey reasons. Preemptive wars are illegal for a reason. Although I do not think Bush is the worst president in modern times (Carter has that well locked down,) I would put him as the #2 worst. Although, It is my humble opinion that Obama will easily supplant Carter as #1. McLame on the other hand would have landed nicely at somewhere between 3-5.
The bottom line is that a government cannot have as its primary purpose to redistribute wealth. If I give my money to poor unmotivated people I am generous and a fool. If anyone else takes my money and gives it to someone else it is simply theft. Obama is a thief. |
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