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johnorun
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Tell me about this Folding @ Home project.
Is it a charity/science endeavor using many satellite PC's?
Could I use the "Silicon Graphics" PC, that I just got, as a helper computer?
It would be nice to put this computer to use for a good cause! |
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Qwerty
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| johnorun wrote: | Tell me about this Folding @ Home project.
Is it a charity/science endeavor using many satellite PC's?
Could I use the "Silicon Graphics" PC, that I just got, as a helper computer?
It would be nice to put this computer to use for a good cause! |
Here is a Wikipedia article about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home
I fear your SG will be too slow for the project. |
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donutty
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The thing I don't get about FaH is while it is supposed to run using your -spare- CPU cycles, people purposefully turn on or leave on their PCs. And for some it seems to be a competition to see who can process the most data!
OK, so it will have some great scientific outcome... but it could actually be harming the planet! |
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Qwerty
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| donutty wrote: | The thing I don't get about FaH is while it is supposed to run using your -spare- CPU cycles, people purposefully turn on or leave on their PCs. And for some it seems to be a competition to see who can process the most data!
OK, so it will have some great scientific outcome... but it could actually be harming the planet! |
I agree with you - many F@H users run the software only because of it's cool graphics and credits points awarded.
IMHO if we ask 1000 F@H participants about what proteine folging is/does only a few of them will be able to give the correct answer 
I'm running another BOINC project on my computers - ClimatePrediction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climateprediction.net
It doesn't have a cool GUI and the WUs (Work Units) are large - therefore only a few enthusiasts are participating.
To save the climate I turn my computer on only when I'm using it  |
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kosmokrator
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also cool is the S.E.T.I@home....
im also agee about the credits addicted witch run 100 machines just for the numbers...its pointless to help in one case and also cause disaster to an other stuff (on huge energy consumption) |
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Windmiller
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| donutty wrote: | The thing I don't get about FaH is while it is supposed to run using your -spare- CPU cycles, people purposefully turn on or leave on their PCs. And for some it seems to be a competition to see who can process the most data!
OK, so it will have some great scientific outcome... but it could actually be harming the planet! |
I used to be closely involved with SETi and FH projects and one of the reasons the graphics and point systems were created was to motivate people. Also there are many teams 1. based on a group of friends 2. gamer teams 3. forums 4. companies and so they turn into competitions of sorts with whoever having the most points being the "leader". Like the ATI forum (rage3d) against the Nvidia forum (can't remember who it is now). So contributors get to have little rewards and the scientific community gets a crap load of resources to use. There have been calculations as to how much money it would cost these scientific projects to mimic the distributed computing resources that are being donated. I cannot remember the exact figures but it was in the millions.
I think its great! I used to build extra machines to fold but when dual cpus came out it became pointless to run 4 or 900mhz Cs when just the spare resources off my quads were more useful. So unfortuntely John the SGI isnt going to be worth the time, effort and power.
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Chiefish
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And now with the graphics engines they are using its almost pointless to even try and run the dual or quad core smps, My two GTXs will blow away my two quads and my duellie in points per day. My new quad is worth about 1500 points a day, while my GTXs are worth about 5000 points a day each.
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Cpuswe
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| Windmiller wrote: | | donutty wrote: | The thing I don't get about FaH is while it is supposed to run using your -spare- CPU cycles, people purposefully turn on or leave on their PCs. And for some it seems to be a competition to see who can process the most data!
OK, so it will have some great scientific outcome... but it could actually be harming the planet! |
I used to be closely involved with SETi and FH projects and one of the reasons the graphics and point systems were created was to motivate people. Also there are many teams 1. based on a group of friends 2. gamer teams 3. forums 4. companies and so they turn into competitions of sorts with whoever having the most points being the "leader". Like the ATI forum (rage3d) against the Nvidia forum (can't remember who it is now). So contributors get to have little rewards and the scientific community gets a crap load of resources to use. There have been calculations as to how much money it would cost these scientific projects to mimic the distributed computing resources that are being donated. I cannot remember the exact figures but it was in the millions.
I think its great! I used to build extra machines to fold but when dual cpus came out it became pointless to run 4 or 900mhz Cs when just the space resources off my quads were more useful. So unfortuntely John the SGI isnt going to be worth the time, effort and power. |
I remember when i ran seti@home back in 1998 when it was still i beta version. A bit later we got a quad Xeon 550 Compaq Proliant at work. Before it went into production it was running seti@home for a few weeks. Did i climb on the Swedish charts?
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Cobracon
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Yes, F@H and similar projects may consume a lot of energy while contributing greatly to medical research, BUT the environmental and economic hit is preferrable to me vs. fighting wars and wasting money on Space exploration.
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CPUShack
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I run FAH, and I run it 24/7 I fell no guilt lol.
The data from FAH helped develope a cure to the form of cancer my Grandpa had, he is still alive today!
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johnorun
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| Windmiller wrote: |
I think its great! I used to build extra machines to fold but when dual cpus came out it became pointless to run 4 or 900mhz Cs when just the space resources off my quads were more useful. So unfortuntely John the SGI isnt going to be worth the time, effort and power. |
Hmmm...that's too bad. I wish there was something the Silicon Graphics 'puter could be used for, other than just being cool to look at.  |
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Windmiller
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| Cpuswe wrote: |
I remember when i ran seti@home back in 1998 when it was still i beta version. A bit later we got a quad Xeon 550 Compaq Proliant at work. Before it went into production it was running seti@home for a few weeks. Did i climb on the Swedish charts? |
Awesome! |
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debs3759
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| johnorun wrote: | | Windmiller wrote: |
I think its great! I used to build extra machines to fold but when dual cpus came out it became pointless to run 4 or 900mhz Cs when just the space resources off my quads were more useful. So unfortuntely John the SGI isnt going to be worth the time, effort and power. |
Hmmm...that's too bad. I wish there was something the Silicon Graphics 'puter could be used for, other than just being cool to look at. |
I disagree with some of the replies. Any CPU cycles that are used to help any distributed computing project can be valuable. Who knows, the SGI machine might just be the one that gets a result which saves a life next year...
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donutty
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F@H seems to have caused quite an upset!
I am 50/50 on this - It's great that 'spare' CPU cycles can be used to aid scientific advances, but some people only want to use it to get higher in the leader board and show how fast their rig is. Quite often these people aren't paying the energy bill (their employer or parents are!) |
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viili
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| kosmokrator wrote: | | q6600 is the most overclockable chip ever |
Bah, 300A@600! [/old geezer] |
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