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hugo929
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Hi Guys
I just won an item on chipdb/forsale . but the Germany seller dont want paypal payment, he accept moneybooker.com or international bank transfer only.
Do any one know how to pay moneybooker via paypal? Or is there a way to initiate a bank transfer via paypal?
Thanks
Hugo
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Windmiller
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: help on paying |
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| hugo929 wrote: | Hi Guys
I just won an item on chipdb/forsale . but the Germany seller dont want paypal payment, he accept moneybooker.com or international bank transfer only.
Do any one know how to pay moneybooker via paypal? Or is there a way to initiate a bank transfer via paypal?
Thanks
Hugo |
I don't think so. If there is I would assume the cost would be more than 1 chip is worth. This is the reason I didnt buy from him.
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johnorun
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have the same problem. A seller in Germany requires I use moneybookers.com also to buy a chip.
He refuses to use Paypal for whatever reason.
I tried to register and moneybookers.com doesn't even allow US buyers to be members!!
Grrr...
I'm sending a Paypal payment to another member, who will in turn pay my seller through moneybookers.com.
What a hassle...  |
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smithy
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Moneybookers requires you to transfer funds from your bank into the moneybookers account in your country. You can't use credit cards and you pay the fees, not the seller. I don't like it but didn't have an option when buying a chip. It also takes days for the money to get to the other person.
i think we should set paypal as the only payment option available on the auction site
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johnorun
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| smithy wrote: | Moneybookers requires you to transfer funds from your bank into the moneybookers account in your country. You can't use credit cards and you pay the fees, not the seller. I don't like it but didn't have an option when buying a chip. It also takes days for the money to get to the other person.
i think we should set paypal as the only payment option available on the auction site |
I AGREE 100% !!! |
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Qwerty
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| smithy wrote: | Moneybookers requires you to transfer funds from your bank into the moneybookers account in your country. You can't use credit cards and you pay the fees, not the seller. I don't like it but didn't have an option when buying a chip. It also takes days for the money to get to the other person.
i think we should set paypal as the only payment option available on the auction site |
Not long ago eBay tried to force all members in Australia to use PP as only allowed payment option. The users went to the court and won.
And now you want to force all users to use this PP crap in our small auction site ??? I think every seller can decide what kind of payments he / she want to accept.
Nobody is forced to bid on such auctions. 
Here is an recent example of the problems with PP.
http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10567 |
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hugo929
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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i have registered with moneybookers. hope it will help me to finish the trade.
Does anyone know how much the fee is if i transfer money from bank to another person using moneybookers?
Thanks
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smithy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Qwerty wrote: |
Not long ago eBay tried to force all members in Australia to use PP as only payment option. The users went to the court and won.
And now you want to force all users to use this PP crap in our small auction site ??? I think every seller can decide what kind of payments he / she accept.
Nobody forces you to bid on such auctions.
Here is an recent example of the problems with PP.
http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10567 |
That's fine if your native currency is euros. To use moneybookers I have to estimate what the exchange rate will be, transfer an amount in Australian dollars to moneybookers Australian bank account, get charged for the privelege, then have them convert it to euro and hope it is enough to cover the cost. If not, I have to transfer more or I have to transfer extra funds initially, which then sits in moneybookers bank account. An dit also takes days for the payment to finally reach the seller.
Paypal is not perfect and it has its problems, but for cross-border transactions it really is simple and in most cases effective.
The thread you refer to is nothing to do with paypal but a delivery problem, which the buyer has invoked a paypal dispute.
But fair enough - if people wan't to use moneybookers or other payment mechanisms, then they will probably not get the best price as it cuts out buyers like me and others in the US/China etc. I was simply offering a suggestion to make it easy for all users irrespective of where they lived to be able to buy chips easily. And paypal has worked fine for all sale and group buys on the forum (I don't actually recall other payment mechanisms being used) |
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smithy
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Or why not make it so that paypal has to be an option? You can offer other alternatives, but why force people to only use moneybookers like some of the sales?? (isn't this the same as forcing them to only use paypal?)
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| johnorun wrote: |
Grrr...
What a hassle... |
My sentiments exactly. |
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hugo929
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I just find moneybooker charges lower fee than paypal.
Receiving money is free of extra fee.
Sending money fee is 1% 
not too bad
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| hugo929 wrote: | I just find moneybooker charges lower fee than paypal.
Receiving money is free of extra fee.
Sending money fee is 1%
not too bad |
i just browse the www.moneybookers.com
the fee is pretty low
1% and max 0.5 euro
and if the referrer function was also applied , probably much lower
the only drawback (as a buyer) is no chargeback
i think the moneybooker service is suitable for a trusted seller
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schoeneweide
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| hugo929 wrote: | I just find moneybooker charges lower fee than paypal.
Receiving money is free of extra fee.
Sending money fee is 1%
not too bad |
Hi all,
thatīs the reason why Iīm using moneybookers. Itīs cheap, safe and quickly for me. European user can use their credit cards.
Every buyer has the choice to buy/bid of my items with my terms as seller or not. I didīnt force anyone to buy 
I've make some bad experience with paypal about dispute in not related seller activities through ebay germany. As seller I can decide myself whether I want to use paypal, isnīt it?
Iīn example: some of my chips like the 4004 greys or 4040's has a total amount of several hundred dollars. All of each 4004 grey buyers got their chips.
But I donīt know all the peoples in this forum personally. I donīt know if somebody make a pp-dispute and my 4004 grey is irrecoverably lost. Thatīs an international forum and sorry, you donīt know me and i donīt know you - thatīs my opinion.
If someone wants to see my identification card/passport trough chip-buy - no problem. I can tell you my last forum-buyers of chips there u can ask if Iīm reliable.
John want one 4004 grey chip from me. Iīve make an offer for him and reserved and reduced the price for the chip specially if John use moneybookers for payments.
Hugo bid on auction with the terms of moneybookers-payment.
You have know the payments way beforehand
If someone has some problem with the chips Iīve send and disagree i.e. quality of chips or something else - no problem, you can talk with me. But I decide about disputes and repayments - not paypal!
Regards,
schoenweide
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If you agree NOT to blame me in any way whatever you may dispute with the seller after and NOT to try to get your money back through PayPal you can PayPal to me and I do the "Überweisung".
Of course there's a delay in payment as I do need to transfer the money to my bank account before I send the money.
I guess your trades are with schoenweide - I also traded with him and was perfectly satisfied.
I do trust him, so I think all things should go well.
Just pm me what you have to pay and I'll add the paypal s'#&%t and you know what to pay.
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hugo929
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Hi Thank you Michael
I think I should first try to use moneybooker . Although I have not been clear enough on how to pay using it right now. It might need a few days.
Every forum member here is honest. I dont care the risk of purchasing from them.
Thanks again !
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