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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:12 pm    Post subject: Mystery blank 486(?) Reply with quote

The left one is a 486 of some sort, but the right one?
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a microscope, there may be a clue on the die. Surprised
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

will it be the cache controller.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't think so. 486 era cache controllers were PGA, not SPGA.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it even Intel lol
Looks almost MIPS like

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone able to count the pins? Might give a clue...
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i count correctly its a PGA325.

The listing from eBay states they are from a Intel employee (not proving its an intel chip...)

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there a Pentium class cache controller chip in PGA?
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aberco wrote:
Isn't there a Pentium class cache controller chip in PGA?


Yes but that seems to be in a PGA280 package.

http://www.phatcode.net/res/254/files/241429_4.pdf

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

die looks like maybe it was a thermal/electrical sample perhaps
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well the die & package of the left one matches early Intel DX2-50/66s
The DX2 in Genna's 80486 Promotion Kit matches it also
http://www.cpu-world.com/Memorabilia/80486/Promotion_kit/

The right one is interesting.. being a SPGA
guessing it is from post 1993, as the socket 5 was the 1st commercial SPGA and the earliest was week 43 1993
The earliest non processor in SPGA package was the 82498 cache controller, but the 1st samples of them wasn't until early 1995
and they were also socket 5 sized

even looking at other manufacturers it appears they didn't use the SPGA package until 1995.. and all were Pentium sized or larger

High res pics of the die is the only probably way of determining what this one is

Edit >> on a side note the earliest reference I can find for SPGA packages is a patent from May 1993.
The actual patent is for a SPGA processor removal tool originally lodged by Cyrix
The funny thing is that VIA (Cyrix) has kept paying money to keep the patent current Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cpuswe wrote:
The listing from eBay states they are from a Intel employee (not proving its an intel chip...)

If the listing has finished.. I would be interested in a link to it Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting the pinout is the same as the mystery (P6?) ES I got
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPUShack wrote:
Interesting the pinout is the same as the mystery (P6?) ES I got

Yep.. why I'm interested in knowing more about it Smile

just smaller die cap on this one.. and no heat-spreader
http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23294

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neon_WA wrote:
Cpuswe wrote:
The listing from eBay states they are from a Intel employee (not proving its an intel chip...)

If the listing has finished.. I would be interested in a link to it Very Happy


Sure, this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Intel-Micro-Processor-Chip-from-Employee-Gold-or-Collectors-/251472997973

I will try to get a better shot of the die.

Edit: I also asked the seller for more info but the owner had passed away and this was sold as part of his estate.

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