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alexino2
Joined: 13 Mar 2017 Posts: 355 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: Cyrix or motherboard issue ? |
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Hello,
I just tested my 486 Cyrix on a 4DPS motherboard and was surprised by 2 of them :
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The DX2-66 works only at 2x25Mhz, while 3 others brothers work at 2x33Mhz
The DX2-80 works only at 2x25Mhz and 2x33Mhz, while his brother (with no Heatsink) work at 2x40Mhz
All the rest of my cyrix work fine at their frenquecies on same motheboard.
So, Is it possible that my motherboard doesn't like them or they are fake ?
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cuttingedgecs
Joined: 08 Oct 2017 Posts: 1764 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Either are possible, but the other reason is simply that they are old and wearing out. These chips, due to their age and process size are all undergoing dielectric breakdown to some degree. It will effect some more than others due to how hot these chips ran, and for how many hours during their service life, as well as the purity of the chemicals they were produced with (which will vary between fabs, chemical sources and individual chips). So this is why some chips may be wearing out faster than your others. |
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Mr.Scott

Joined: 15 Jul 2014 Posts: 267 Location: Upstate NY USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Unless you're overclocking or over volting, it's pretty hard to degrade a CPU.
They almost never go bad naturally. |
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cuttingedgecs
Joined: 08 Oct 2017 Posts: 1764 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Back in the late 90s we frequently had to underclock Cyrix 6x86s which could no longer operate at their marked speed - even when they were only a year or so old. Intel CPUs of that period didn't seem to suffer that problem, and I can't comment on the nature and reliability of Cyrix 486s, but I've seen CPUs much younger than these go bad naturally. |
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H3nrik V!

Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Posts: 1246 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:11 am Post subject: |
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So it seems that the Cyrix's were overclocked and/or overvolted from the factory?  |
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alexino2
Joined: 13 Mar 2017 Posts: 355 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for answer, it's a pretty strange and interesting story !
I didn't know that a cpu could degrade with time, like a CD lol |
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misace

Joined: 14 Sep 2012 Posts: 932 Location: Prague, Czechia
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Which voltage did you use for them? Both are 5V pieces. _________________ Looking For Chips 386 J38605DX, Symphony FPU, Rise Tiger, MP6-II, Winchip 3&4, IDT C6-Early Logo, Nx686, Tesla 8088, L80C86, Bulgarian 8088, Pentium 4 QT69ES. |
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alexino2
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| misace wrote: | | Which voltage did you use for them? Both are 5V pieces. |
I think it was 3.3V, you are sure about 5V? Should work at lower no ? I want to be sure before burning them lol |
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misace

Joined: 14 Sep 2012 Posts: 932 Location: Prague, Czechia
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Cx486DX2-v66GP has 3,3-4V
Cx486DX2-66GP has 5V
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_Cx486 _________________ Looking For Chips 386 J38605DX, Symphony FPU, Rise Tiger, MP6-II, Winchip 3&4, IDT C6-Early Logo, Nx686, Tesla 8088, L80C86, Bulgarian 8088, Pentium 4 QT69ES. |
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alexino2
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debs3759

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 9477 Location: Northampton, Divided Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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There have almost always been CPUs that can be under-volted. That would be quite a huge under-volt though, so if the info above is correct, you got lucky  _________________ My graphics card database can be found at http://www.gpuzoo.com.
I can resist anything except temptation.
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alexino2
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Debs, i confirm, I tested them at 5V, they work fine.
I understand now why lower voltage Cyrix indicate 3.45V and V66
I'm new here, hope you won't blame me :p |
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Mr.Scott

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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Knew they weren't bad.  |
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debs3759

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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| alexino2 wrote: | | I'm new here, hope you won't blame me :p |
I'm sure most of us still have something to learn  _________________ My graphics card database can be found at http://www.gpuzoo.com.
I can resist anything except temptation.
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CPUShack

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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| debs3759 wrote: | | alexino2 wrote: | | I'm new here, hope you won't blame me :p |
I'm sure most of us still have something to learn  |
If we don't we're not trying hard enough  _________________ New for 2025! The CPU Shack has a co-processor!
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