CPU Shack: MHS S-80C51 on B/E Aerospace Boards

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:31 pm    Post subject: CPU Shack: MHS S-80C51 on B/E Aerospace Boards Reply with quote

These are a cute little SBC made by B/E Aerospace (not to be confused with BAE)
B/E (now owned by Rockwell Collens) does interiors for a a large portion of comercial jets, including things like lavatories, entertainment, oxygen systems etc.

Each of these little boards has a 12MHz CMOS MHS S-80C51C MCU on it made on a 0.8u process
THe '51C has the 'secret ROM' meaning the ROM cannot be read back out once programmed



8x MHS S-80C51CWGV-12 SBCs for B/E Aerospace $6 each or a pair for $10

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"secret ROM" LOL marketing speak.
Almost all 8051s have protected ROMs.
There's almost always a way to read them too. There are a number of tricks, most involving producing a hardware glitch which cause the MPU to think that it's reading data from external memory whereas it's actually reading from the internal ROM. I was once able to read one, and I'm no expert either. There are descriptions of the procedures especially on ECU hacking forums (engine control units in various brands of cars used to make extensive use of 8051s)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stamasd wrote:
"secret ROM" LOL marketing speak.
Almost all 8051s have protected ROMs.
There's almost always a way to read them too. There are a number of tricks, most involving producing a hardware glitch which cause the MPU to think that it's reading data from external memory whereas it's actually reading from the internal ROM. I was once able to read one, and I'm no expert either. There are descriptions of the procedures especially on ECU hacking forums (engine control units in various brands of cars used to make extensive use of 8051s)


LOL yup the irony is they called it 'secret' to not violate Intel's trademarks....
...on an MCU design that they licensed form Intel

Whats interesting is that MHS (Temic) included this in the part number, only ones that I know of that they did
They had a secret ROM ( C ) and a secret Tag ( T ) option

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 for me, please!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 for me, thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one for me, thanks
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