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Mizutsuki Raki

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UMMR

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
sadly there isn't a catalog of custom IBM parts.
Based on my personal experience:
the 2 digit pair after "IBM" identifies the manufacturing/assembly factory;
many IBM 14 and IBM 98 chips are MOS devices;
many (not all) IBM 14 chips are memories.
DIPs with custom IBM markings are in fact standard TTLs with customized numbering, they are called Vendor Transistor Logic by IBM.
"Metal can" IBM chips, MST-styled, are usually gate arrays, either bipolar, MOS or CMOS; the 1st line identifies the specific mask used in that chip's fabrication process. The 1st series of IBM MOS arrays is called "Dutchess logic" by IBM engineers.
You can find more infos about IBM part numbering in this page of my website: http://ummr.altervista.org/ibmtechviews.htm. |
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Mizutsuki Raki

Joined: 23 Mar 2014 Posts: 59 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: Thanks for your detailed answer! |
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| UMMR wrote: | Hello,
sadly there isn't a catalog of custom IBM parts.
Based on my personal experience:
the 2 digit pair after "IBM" identifies the manufacturing/assembly factory;
many IBM 14 and IBM 98 chips are MOS devices;
many (not all) IBM 14 chips are memories.
DIPs with custom IBM markings are in fact standard TTLs with customized numbering, they are called Vendor Transistor Logic by IBM.
"Metal can" IBM chips, MST-styled, are usually gate arrays, either bipolar, MOS or CMOS; the 1st line identifies the specific mask used in that chip's fabrication process. The 1st series of IBM MOS arrays is called "Dutchess logic" by IBM engineers.
You can find more infos about IBM part numbering in this page of my website: http://ummr.altervista.org/ibmtechviews.htm. |
Thanks for your detailed answer!
Well, are IBM metal-packaged chips easy to gone bad?
In IBM 5100, I think that IBM used the same chips on each ROS module(common ROS on a processor board, executable ROS and non-executable ROS which contains BASIC).
My IBM 5100 can't recognize the non-executable ROS module. However, the other ROS' works 'very' well.
I hope to listen your opinion. |
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Birdman.

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Are you sure that it's not a problem with dirty connectors or some bad contact in wires? |
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UMMR

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Hello
in my personal experience IBM metal-can chips are reliable, check/clean the connectors for dirt and dust.
Also check carefully the connections from the card's PCB to the backplane connector. They are susceptible of oxidation. Remove the backplane connector cap and clean all the contacts.
Several RAM cards from my vintage System/36, not working at first look, "magically" came back to life after an accurate cleansing.
Dust and fragments of that black insulating "foam" widely used by IBM are a great treat for the old systems. Year by year, the "foam" deteriorates in small fragments, like a black dust, or transforms itself in a sticky black mass.
I hope Your 5100 will resuscitate! Great machine!
Paolo |
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Mizutsuki Raki

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to everyone.
I'll clean it and check it twice
(Umm... but ROS error is very common) |
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