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LIOTB1701
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 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:50 pm Post subject: Upgrading INTEL i3-330M |
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Hello All,
thank you a head of time for you help!
THE QUESTION: Which upgrade path is mine? Which processor is actually mine?
THE STORY: When I look into Core i3-330 here on CPU-world I get the wrong socket (G1 / rPGA988A). When I look into the correct socket (988-pin micro-FCPGA (rPGA988B), Socket G2 / rPGA988B), I think, I get the wrong processor (i3-2330M).
THE MACHINE: Sony Vaio VPCEB17FG (model: PCG-71211W)
CPU-Z:
Processors Information
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Socket 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 2 (max 2)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name Intel Core i3 330M
Codename Arrandale
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 989 rPGA (0x4)
CPUID 6.5.2
Extended CPUID 6.25
Core Stepping C2
Technology 32 nm
TDP Limit 25.0 Watts
Core Speed 931.1 MHz
Multiplier x Bus Speed 7.0 x 133.0 MHz
Base frequency (cores) 133.0 MHz
Base frequency (ext.) 133.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed 2394.3 MHz
Stock frequency 2133 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, EM64T, VT-x
Microcode Revision 0xC
L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L3 cache 3 MBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Max CPUID level 0000000Bh
Max CPUID ext. level 80000008h
Cache descriptor Level 1, D, 32 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 1, I, 32 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 2, U, 256 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 3, U, 3 MB, 16 thread(s)
FID/VID Control yes
Chipset
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Northbridge Intel Havendale/Clarkdale Host Bridge rev. 02
Southbridge Intel HM55 rev. 05
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR3
Memory Size 4 GBytes
Channels Dual, (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency 532.1 MHz (4:16)
CAS# latency (CL) 7.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 7
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 7
Cycle Time (tRAS) 20
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 60
Command Rate (CR) 1T
Host Bridge 0x0044
Host Bridge 0x2C62
Host Bridge 0x2D01
Host Bridge 0x2D10
Host Bridge 0x2D11
Host Bridge 0x2D12
Host Bridge 0x2D13 |
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lazyfortress
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Why would you want to upgrade your laptop? If you want a better processor, it would be a lot cheaper to just buy a new laptop than to buy the newest 9th generation Intel i3 mobile and a matching motherboard, and attempt to fit it in your laptop. Even if you did decide to upgrade your 3rd gen i3 with a 3rd gen i7, I don't think you'll see that much of a performance boost.
According to your CPU-Z, you have in fact a i3-330M with the rPGA989 socket. This means that you can use an i7-3xxxM series processor. This includes: i7-3632QM and i7-3212QM.
I'm no CPU expert unlike many others on this forum, but this is just my 2 cents. |
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LIOTB1701
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:17 pm Post subject: Follow-up |
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| lazyfortress wrote: | Why would you want to upgrade your laptop? If you want a better processor, it would be a lot cheaper to just buy a new laptop than to buy the newest 9th generation Intel i3 mobile and a matching motherboard, and attempt to fit it in your laptop. Even if you did decide to upgrade your 3rd gen i3 with a 3rd gen i7, I don't think you'll see that much of a performance boost.
According to your CPU-Z, you have in fact a i3-330M with the rPGA989 socket. This means that you can use an i7-3xxxM series processor. This includes: i7-3632QM and i7-3212QM.
I'm no CPU expert unlike many others on this forum, but this is just my 2 cents. |
Thank you, Lazyfortress, for your quick response. That helps a lot.
I do also need to clarify, that I was not looking for a new MOBO just a CPU.
From what I can tell from what CPU-World, Intel Ark, CPU-Z are telling me that the correct CPU is this one given the core architecture and code name: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i3/Intel-Core%20i3%20Mobile%20I3-330M%20CP80617004122AG.html.
However, you're saying it's this one: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i3/Intel-Core%20i3%20Mobile%20i3-2330M.html
Sorry, I am little confused.
I am tech savvy, but for some reason this one has me stumped. Thank you for the continued patience and support in figuring this out. |
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lazyfortress
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LIOTB1701
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:04 pm Post subject: The one glitch |
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| lazyfortress wrote: | http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i3/Intel-Core%20i3%20Mobile%20I3-330M%20CP80617004122AG.html
I was talking about that^. Now I'm stumped LOL, it says PGA988, not PGA989. But I would consider a 3rd gen i7 mobile version. Have you taken apart your laptop before? |
Hey, thanks for getting back with me so fast.
Yes, it's so confusing. It gets even more confusing when you look at the Intel Ark page. It gives two completely different socket possibilities. You're right I was completely confused even further by the 988 not 989.
I am not sure where to go for the definitive answer. I think we found the one glitch in all of CPU-World.  If they can't answer it I don't know who can.
This particular one, no, I haven't disassembled it yet. I have done many laptop upgrades though. |
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crazybubba64
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Your laptop has a dedicated GPU, so in theory you could install any first-gen mobile core i-series chip. If you are using this for basic web consumption / word processing, etc, go for one of the quicker dual-core i7 chips, like the i7-620 or i7-640. If you are using this for anything more than that, one of the quad core i7 chips would be better suited. Assuming you have the newest BIOS, it should work all the way up to the i7-940XM, but that would probably be overkill.
But before you throw money into this you should take apart your laptop and find where your processor is. Verify that it is not soldered to the board, and that you feel comfortable doing the swap.
As for the argument of keeping your existing laptop or buying a new one, it would be much cheaper to upgrade the machine, but if you are looking for an overall speed boost, it would be wiser to upgrade to an SSD if you have not already. |
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LIOTB1701
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| crazybubba64 wrote: | Your laptop has a dedicated GPU, so in theory you could install any first-gen mobile core i-series chip. If you are using this for basic web consumption / word processing, etc, go for one of the quicker dual-core i7 chips, like the i7-620 or i7-640. If you are using this for anything more than that, one of the quad core i7 chips would be better suited. Assuming you have the newest BIOS, it should work all the way up to the i7-940XM, but that would probably be overkill.
But before you throw money into this you should take apart your laptop and find where your processor is. Verify that it is not soldered to the board, and that you feel comfortable doing the swap.
As for the argument of keeping your existing laptop or buying a new one, it would be much cheaper to upgrade the machine, but if you are looking for an overall speed boost, it would be wiser to upgrade to an SSD if you have not already. |
Hello crazybubba64,
thank you for the detailed information, very generous of you!
Oh, interesting, I never thought about having the options that wide on the processor. Usually I try to keep it (as was my understanding one should with mobile processors) withing the exact same TDP, etc. Good to know options are a little wider (as long as they are not white listed).
Also, I forgot about the dedicated graphics, yes, that changes things. Thanks for reminding me about that.
Thank you for your thoughts to help me save time and money, they are greatly appreciated. No, I haven't taken it apart yet,, but you are right it would be wiser to pop it open first. It's what I have done in the past. So, true, the SSD option as well as RAM are also included in this upgrade.
This should extend her a few more days.
One last question, their was confusion for me and another here in this thread (the cause for my being here). CPU-z said 989 and everything else says 988 - what's the explanations for that, do you know?
Thank you again for all of your help! |
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crazybubba64
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| LIOTB1701 wrote: | | CPU-z said 989 and everything else says 988 - what's the explanations for that, do you know? |
Being completely honest, I think a lot of people mix up the two sockets. Don't look at your system for what the socket might be. You have a first-gen i3 processor. It can be assumed that you can only run first-gen core i-series chips.
Generally, it's better to base your CPU upgradeability on your chipset, rather than physical socket. |
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LIOTB1701
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| crazybubba64 wrote: | | LIOTB1701 wrote: | | CPU-z said 989 and everything else says 988 - what's the explanations for that, do you know? |
Being completely honest, I think a lot of people mix up the two sockets. Don't look at your system for what the socket might be. You have a first-gen i3 processor. It can be assumed that you can only run first-gen core i-series chips.
Generally, it's better to base your CPU upgradeability on your chipset, rather than physical socket. |
Hey crazybubba64,
thank you for your continued help and time.
Oh, how interesting. So CPU-Z was wrong. Right, first-gen i3, that's why I got confused even more with other suggestions.
Okay, so chipsets. Would you give me your method and best resources for finding upgrades.
Thank you again! |
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LIOTB1701
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Hey crazybubba64,
That was cool of you thank you for doing that. I had already been to those pages and look at those lists. I really appreciate your insight such as the fact that since my laptop has a dedicated GPU I don’t necessarily have to worry about certain details of the CPU. The thing that I was wondering about was your thought process starting with the motherboard chipset and how you go about it from there. That would be very insightful for me. Usually my method is looking at TDP, core type, generation, and socket type. Also, the higher TDP does not concern you from the other higher CPU’s?
Thank you again for your help and time. |
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crazybubba64
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| LIOTB1701 wrote: |
Hey crazybubba64,
The thing that I was wondering about was your thought process starting with the motherboard chipset and how you go about it from there. That would be very insightful for me. Usually my method is looking at TDP, core type, generation, and socket type. Also, the higher TDP does not concern you from the other higher CPU’s?
Thank you again for your help and time. |
For chipsets, in your particular case, it doesn't play in very much.
Generally, Intel's chipsets are on a per-generation basis, especially with mobile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Mobile_chipsets
As for TDP, it's mostly guesswork between the cooling solution inside the laptop (# of heatpipes, thermal compound, etc), and the power delivered by your AC adapter (generally isn't an issue for socketed systems) |
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LIOTB1701
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | For chipsets, in your particular case, it doesn't play in very much.
Generally, Intel's chipsets are on a per-generation basis, especially with mobile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Mobile_chipsets
As for TDP, it's mostly guesswork between the cooling solution inside the laptop (# of heatpipes, thermal compound, etc), and the power delivered by your AC adapter (generally isn't an issue for socketed systems) |
Hello crazy brother 64,
Thank you for all of your help and insight. That will make things a lot easier in the future.
Thank you again for your time and effort! |
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AshwaryaGupta
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:25 am Post subject: CPU Upgrade |
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| LIOTB1701 wrote: | | Quote: | For chipsets, in your particular case, it doesn't play in very much.
Generally, Intel's chipsets are on a per-generation basis, especially with mobile.
https: // en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Mobile_chipsets
As for TDP, it's mostly guesswork between the cooling solution inside the laptop (# of heatpipes, thermal compound, etc), and the power delivered by your AC adapter (generally isn't an issue for socketed systems) |
Hello crazy brother 64,
Thank you for all of your help and insight. That will make things a lot easier in the future.
Thank you again for your time and effort! |
Hey That was informative discussion on the forum.
Can you please tell me if you were able to upgrade your CPU.
I also have rPGA 989 Socket and looking for upgrading with 3rd Gen CPU. |
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crazybubba64
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: CPU Upgrade |
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| AshwaryaGupta wrote: |
Hey That was informative discussion on the forum.
Can you please tell me if you were able to upgrade your CPU.
I also have rPGA 989 Socket and looking for upgrading with 3rd Gen CPU. |
If your system originally had a 1st gen i-series part, then you can not upgrade to 3rd gen.
If you had a 2nd gen i-series part, it will heavily depend on the specific machine and the chipset used.
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