How to light up the Pentium-50?
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:11 am    Post subject: How to light up the Pentium-50? Reply with quote

Hey Gentlemen:

Before that, I was not sure whether the Q0335 was a pentium-50. I couldn't light it on the Pentium 60/66 motherboard, and I knew that the motherboard that can support 50MHz was also very difficult to find.

Recently, I suddenly got a great idea. Maybe I can adjust the motherboard to the operating frequency of 50MHz by changing the crystal, so that I can verify whether it is a real pentium-50

So I bought a bunch of crystals to complete this test. The results are satisfactory, so I would like to share the test process with you.

Some of the crystals:


Q0335 with the 50Mhz crystal.


Screenshot of the testing


Q0335 with the 33Mhz crystal.


Screenshot of the testing


So, can Q0335 support lower frequency? Unfortunately, it doesn't light up at 25MHz.Sad

Result:
Pentium-50(Q0335) 25Mhz Fail, 33Mhz OK,50Mhz OK, 60Mhz Fail, 66Mhz Fail
Pentium-66(SX950) 25Mhz Fail, 33Mhz OK,50Mhz OK,60Mhz OK, 66Mhz OK

Any comment will be appreciated

Henry

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the crystal can be replaced to reduce the frequency, I would like to know what is the lowest running frequency of my 386 motherboard? 16Mhz? 12Mhz? Or lower?

Yes! I got the 0.946Mhz record. Very Happy



I believe it should be the 386 CPU running at the lowest frequency in the world. but I still have reason to believe that 0.5MHz should be the lowest frequency it can work.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What was the original frequency of the crystal on the 386 board ?

PS : Very nice Pentium 50! (The very first P5 ES was clocked at 40 MHz Smile )

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the AMD 80386 can be varied all the way from 0 to their rated speed, so if you really want to go slow, go AMD!
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gekaufman wrote:
I believe the AMD 80386 can be varied all the way from 0 to their rated speed, so if you really want to go slow, go AMD!


The real issue is not the CPU but the ISA bus (and especially the VGA card plugged in). Very few of them use static design (with frequency down to DC).

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done. I've been looking for socket4 mainboard that supports 50Mhz for years.Nothing gain.
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice!
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool!
It has relatively narrow working frequency window.

xsecret wrote:

The real issue is not the CPU but the ISA bus (and especially the VGA card plugged in). Very few of them use static design (with frequency down to DC).

But all VGA cards use onboard clock generation, ISA bus frequency signals are irrelevant.
Or do you mean they would not like prolonged memory and i/o cycles? That's possible but still would be surprising.

After initialization you can yank VGA card out and it would still work as long as power is provided.
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome finding.

Btw, What socket 4 motherboard do you use to test the P50?

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unbelievable testing.

Good job!!!
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to know how it feels to run windows95 on Pentium-50 (Q0335).
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xiaoyanxu wrote:
I want to know how it feels to run windows95 on Pentium-50 (Q0335).


Extremely Exciting!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xsecret wrote:
What was the original frequency of the crystal on the 386 board ?

PS : Very nice Pentium 50! (The very first P5 ES was clocked at 40 MHz Smile )


Original frequency is running at 33Mhz of this 386 board.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you want to know the lowest running frequency of 80486 CPU? Today I will continue to test.

The final result Very Happy :
A80486DX33 8Mhz OK
A80486SX20 0.996Mhz OK (world record of lowest I believe)

Replace to 1Mhz crystal:



It took more than 30 minutes for the system to start and complete DOS startup, which was the longest waiting. Very Happy



The ISA 3486 II motherboard set show (32M Ram+TVGA8900D+XTIDE):

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a frequency generator plugged on the crystal socket, you can go down to 1 Hz. Smile I used that trick a few times for the UCA dev.
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