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Dbrilakis
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 Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:55 pm Post subject: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop PC |
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The pc has IMPIP-M5 M/B (Chipset intel HM57, socket: rPGA989 with i5 m430 on) and GeForce GT 230.
I tried to install i7 820qm and only turns on-off repeatedly the cpu fan while never boots on.
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Do you have the newest BIOS installed? Did HP ever ship a config of that machine with a quad-core CPU?
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| It's very possible that it only supports 35 W chips. All the quad cores are 45 W+. |
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Calbris
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:28 am Post subject: RE: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop PC |
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Your TouchSmart 600-1220's support page does not list any BIOS update, but it does mention that some of them were configured with a 720QM or a 820QM from the factory.
I reckon that only the 720QM and 820QM variants could accept all possible quad-cores for the rPGA988A package. While on the other hand, I assume the 430M and 620M variants couldn't. I strongly suspect that they use different BIOS images, which either supported only dual-cores or only quad-cores. This was the case for the ThinkPad W510, but I am not sure if this also applies to the TouchSmart 600-1220.
I'd like to see your TouchSmart 600-1220's APIC table for confirmation, if possible. Could you download Read & Write Everything v1.7 from this page? Then, navigate to the ACPI icon that can be seen from the toolbar on the top of the window. Click the ACPI icon, and a window should pop-up.
From the new window, click on the 'APIC' tab and have a look at the 'Processor Local APIC Structure' entries. If you see eight entries, that would mean your TouchSmart 600-1220 does not have the required microcode to run a quad-core. However, if you see four entries instead, that would mean your BIOS does not support a quad-core (even with the necessary microcode).
I've attached a screenshot, which should be what you're seeing if you have eight 'Processor Local APIC Structure' entries.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:02 am Post subject: Re: RE: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop P |
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| Calbris wrote: | | From the new window, click on the 'APIC' tab and have a look at the 'Processor Local APIC Structure' entries. If you see eight entries, that would mean your TouchSmart 600-1220 does not have the required microcode to run a quad-core |
Did you mean to say that if it has 8 entries, it DOES support quads?
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Calbris
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:42 am Post subject: RE: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop PC |
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Yes, but only if it has the microcode and the necessary hardware to support it. It would be utterly pointless to have eight entries, and yet by some dumb chance - lack the microcode to support the quad-cores.
The necessary hardware part would be the GPU and VRM. I am well aware of certain notebooks that do have the microcode and the eight entries, but for some reason, they do not have a dedicated GPU.
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Dbrilakis
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:20 am Post subject: apic |
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Calbris
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:37 am Post subject: RE: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop PC |
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| Unfortunately, it looks like your TouchSmart 600-1220 lacks the microcode. I'm afraid to say that there's nothing you can do, unless you dump the BIOS and add the microcode in. |
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Dbrilakis
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:51 am Post subject: Re: RE: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop P |
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[quote="Calbris"]Unfortunately, it looks like your TouchSmart 600-1220 lacks the microcode. I'm afraid to say that there's nothing you can do, unless you dump the BIOS and add the microcode in.[/quote]
What do you mean " you dump the BIOS and add the microcode in" ?
Is there any instruction anywhere?
Unfortunately HP does not give much of support for thiw old pc.
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Dbrilakis
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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My basic consinderation is whether the cpu (ebay from china) is fault or is a setting/configuration issue.
PC only tries to boot up the cpu-fan again and again but never starts.
According to product page i7 820qm is the highest tested. The is a Nvidia Vcard on already and the power issue is not mentioned on the HP site, althought no further support given |
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Calbris
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:24 pm Post subject: RE: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop PC |
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| Dbrilakis wrote: |
What do you mean " you dump the BIOS and add the microcode in" ?
Is there any instruction anywhere?
Unfortunately HP does not give much of support for thiw old pc.
Original BIOS v02.61 American Megatrends
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What I meant is that you need an SPI flasher/programmer, something like the CH341A to extract your BIOS. Before doing that, you need an IC test clip (with some jumper wires) or a bunch of bare wires hooked up to the chip that contains the BIOS itself. If those don't work, you have to desolder the chip and mount it onto the SPI flasher (only if it has a chip holder/socket).
The reason for this is due to your TouchSmart 600-1220's BIOS, which cannot be downloaded anywhere, even HP themselves do not provide the BIOS image. This is generally not the case for most desktops and notebooks, as they often package their BIOS images in a firmware update utility. For your desktop's situation, there isn't any available.
As for adding the microcode in, you need to use a hex editor, at least that's what I do. It's a somewhat easy process once you get the hang of it. If you need help on that, just PM me and we'll get started from there.
| Dbrilakis wrote: |
My basic consinderation is whether the cpu (ebay from china) is fault or is a setting/configuration issue.
PC only tries to boot up the cpu-fan again and again but never starts.
According to product page i7 820qm is the highest tested. The is a Nvidia Vcard on already and the power issue is not mentioned on the HP site, althought no further support given
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I don't know if it's faulty or dead, but considering how some motherboards are known to not accept quad-cores or even dual-cores for a variety of reasons that I have mentioned above, I believed that this was a case of the BIOS not supporting it. My bad for jumping into conclusions.
You have to install the 820QM into a machine that supports it, as far as I know. That's the only way to find out if it is a faulty unit.
If you believe that it is a configuration issue, have you ever tried resetting the BIOS settings to factory defaults? Or, have you unplugged the CMOS battery and waited for a few minutes (2-5)? You should, if you haven't. |
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Dbrilakis
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:48 pm Post subject: cpu upgrade on HP TouchSmart 600-1220 (gr) Desktop PC |
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At first I was surprised by the detailed answers you posted.
However, I'm afraid that low-level programming and hardware testingis not of my level. I will try power user attempts such as resetting the BIOS to default values or looking for BIOS alternatives for this motherboard (if any) at the at the time being.
If no results I ll pm you then.
Thanks very much!!
Unfortunately I lack other M/Bs to test the cpu. As far as I know in HP forum similar issues remain unsoved. |
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